That’s not true. There’s been frequent mention of the atrocities and irresponsibility of Hamas here.
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I agree.
Hamas is a terrorist group which is ruling over the Gaza populace. Their crimes deserve to be called out and not have a caveat attached starting with “because Israel did xyz years of crimes against the Palestinian population”
The crimes of Hamas aren’t the crimes of the Palestinians. By adding the caveat at the end , it’s legitimising Hamas as a voice for the Palestinians.
Yes , Israel as a country did do those crimes, Bibi as a leader is guilty of a lot of shit but did the Israeli people who were attacked by the terrorists deserve that ?
Call out both parties , criticize both parties because as I’ve said before , both parties are monumentally stupid while the innocents under the care of both parties continue suffering.
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Nah… they knew how many of them gang were hiding in the hospital
Although I agree to large extent Sithbare.
However if we accept the basic concept that Hamas are a terrorist organization, then by that same reasoning the Israeli government must be held to a higher standard.
What Hamas has did is atrocious, disgusting and disturbing. But is akin to what other terrorist organisations have done. I dont think anyone condones what they have done. No one has shown any defense of Hamas.
Israel is meant to be a civilized government. However they too are acting like terrorists. They might not wear balaclavas but text book definition of terrorist is “the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims”. This is what so outrages the forum. A government, targeting a broad population. Displacing millions, killing thousands and blocking basics (medicine, food, water and electric).
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While I agree there are obviously levels to this, almost any war has very little regard for civilian casualties. I don’t believe in this myth of clean wars.
Hamas is acting as a de facto government, which also complicates things a bit.
Guess I’ll have to add, that I don’t condone all Israeli actions, not at all. It’s horriffic. But I agree with @wyld.at.hrt , this does seem a bit one-sided on here.
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Really? Not as much as you’d think. I’ve just trawled through this entire thread to see the righteous indignation and frequent mentions you’ve talked about and while I am not saying there hasn’t been but also diluted with the aforementioned ‘did it happen’, ‘no beheadings’, ‘sources?’ like I mentioned in my previous post and having just gone through the misery of reading through this thread, apart from a few posters, I stand by what I say.
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I don’t disagree to any points you’ve made about Israel. Yes, Israel needs to be held to a higher standard. It’s definitely wrong for Israel to reply in a similar vein to how Hamas has been behaving.
Israel isn’t the first modern world country to misuse its relative greater power neither would it be the last.
It’s telling that there’s no middle ground for a constructive conversation among the two sides anymore. The middle ground is lost. You either are an anti-semitite or you’re an Islamophobic.
There’s no power which can tell both of them to say , you both have fucked up and still hold both of them accountable. I don’t want to get into the “who deserves more of the blame bit”.
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This is essentially where an ideal UNSC with no wankers swinging around the veto vote to protect their own self interests becomes critical.
And Muslim countries and leaders are hypocrites. Outrage at Israel and their treatment of Palestinians is well deserved but no one is there to talk about China’s excesses in Xinjiang.
No one has said that. As has been stated continually, what Hamas did was horrific, evil, counterproductive and should be condemned.
What some people seem to find difficult to understand is that there are not two equal ‘sides’ in this conflict, and the events of the past week can’t be understood or explained in isolation from the historical context
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I agree with this, and I’ll add the cynical part of me will look at the outrage worldwide of the hospital attack (whoever you think was responsible) and worry that Hamas will try to keep outage going by staging another horrible attack on their own population and blame Israel.
But most of the conversation is around Israel because they have all the power right now and are the ones creating a humanitarian crisis by turning off water, power, gas, food, and telling a million people to get the f out without providing them anywhere to go or a means to get there.
Nobody is minimizing the horrible acts that kicked this latest rotund of atrocities off.
So the obviously deranged propaganda is now accepted as fact?
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The forum is one sided on this matter, I think thats true.
At same time I can understand the skepticism. We live in a time were disinformation is widely used and its part of the war. One of the biggest issues has been twitter itself. Elon Musk has been a significant detriment to the platform. It quickly became a cesspit of disinformation. Blue ticks giving credibility to fake BBC profiles. Much of the information impossible to verify. The fact a main stream journalist got lied to, only for that misinformation to then be relayed by the president of US further highlighted the problem.
I would not take questioning as simply being anti Israel (although most people will have preconceptions). I think much of the early days is people trying to figure out what can be trusted.
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Hamas is terrorist organization capable of doing terrible things? No idea if they will, I’m just worried
They don’t have much to say about minority issues within their own borders either. They only pipe up with regards to Palestine-Isreal because it’s easy political points. But like you said, hypocrites or not, they’re right on this.
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But they are. China is repugnant
Personally all the extremist wankers worldwide can fuck right off.
The world changes more with constructive dialogue and people showing that they can change as a result of those dialogues.
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Interception rockets of that class have tiny warheads by comparison, all they are really trying to do is critically damage a metal tube after all.
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They weren’t running multiple targeting UAVs over Gaza when they were attacked. I was initially leaning to an Israeli bomb strike that had hit the hospital instead of a bunker target, now I am willing to give credence to the idea that there was an inadvertent rocket strike from within Gaza.
That still simply doesn’t account for the size of the explosion though. Things are still not adding up.