There is absolute urgency at that level. If the people there don’t receive any clean water in the next 48 hours, casualties will be counted in tens of thousands, maybe even more. In the medium-long term, epidemics might erase a great part of the population in Gaza if the situation stays as it is.
I can’t imagine the Netanyahou government wishing for such an outcome, not to speak about the Israeli population. Strictly no-one wants this. And yet, we are very near to the worst mass-murdering since Rwanda in 1991.
there’s the origin of the explosion. that’s a big tank, looks like a 5000 gal. you can see the backup generators right next to it. easy access from the service entrance at the back of the hospital for refuel and maintenance. I can’t tell if it’s propane or Oxygen.
21,941 casualties (7,481 killed and 14,460 injured) in territory controlled by the Government when casualties occurred: …
5,208 casualties (2,133 killed and 3,075 injured) in territory occupied by the Russian Federation when casualties occurred:
On a quick search,as far as i can see these are the figures in the Ukraine/Russia war which has been going for a year a half now.
We are already looking at about 4,500 dead with about 15,000 injured in Gaza/Isreal and it’s only been 11 days.
If Isreal continue as they are going they will surpass that in no time.
yeah, it’s the propane tank. Those two Grey units are Carrier 20-25ton air conditioners though. The generator must be inside that building behind, you can see the exhaust stack behind the AC units.
Just to the left you can see an oxygen tank next to the building. fucking hell, propane and oxygen right next to each other. what a bomb that would make
I have refrained from posting in this thread due to lack of information and so much of misinformation online. I personally think there is no good or bad side in these kind of situations. Its how you twist the facts to show you want the others to see it. But this is my take on the hospital bombing, which I still don’t know who really did it:
I don’t think Hamas or IJ did it intentionally given their rockets are very crude and cannot handle such a payload.
I don’t think Israel made a direct strike. They are capable of doing it but then that could have been done before. And on another target which is not a school or hospital. I will talk about direct Israel strike in my closing comments.
I don’t think its Israel interceptor missile either. They are meant to just damage incoming enemy rocket, not destroyed a target. Another minimal payload situation.
I don’t know how well equipped the hospital was, I am assuming it had the basic ICU facilities. For such hospitals its common to store oxygen cylinders in the basement and provide oxygen supply to the patients on the higher floors in ICU wards/rooms via a pipeline.
Now if a rocket was from Israel, the previous vidoes show dust, building going down and black smoke after the strike. But this one seems to show lot of fire, like an inflammable object burning.
Why is there a fire this time and no rubble/dust/black smoke?
Why didn’t Hamas use these high payload rockets earlier, if they already had it?
Why did Israel have to intercept a rocket, if they did, so far into Gaza strip?
How well the relations between Hamas and other splinter groups in Gaza?
Like I said earlier, I will try to refrain from this thread. Especially as I don’t have any direct relation to this conflict. But I cannot avoid it all together as it effects some way or the other. Just praying that commen sense will prevails.
I was listening to the reports on the radio earlier and they seemed to indicate that it was a longer range missile that crashed shortly after launch. The crater was relatively small but there isn’t much need for anything else as the rocket will contain sufficient propellant and oxidising agent to create a large but relatively low explosive cocktail.
It would presumably look like a failed ballistic missile launch.
Israel’s foreign minister, Eli Cohen, may annex part of Gaza in a radio interview on Wednesday.
Cohen was reported by the Times of Israel as saying:
‘At the end of this war, not only will Hamas no longer be in Gaza, but the territory of Gaza will also decrease.’
I’d always thought there was a distinct possibility of this happening. They’ll probably build another fence and double/triple/whatever the size of the no man’s land. With the obvious side effect of making that tiny piece of land even smaller for its two million plus inhabitants.
I am neither an expert in national security, not much knowledgeable in Middle East conflict historically nor a diplomat. Like I said in my previous post, I will not take any side.
However I am still struggling to understand what is Israel going to achieve from this. You may be successful in eliminating the current generation of Hamas fighters, but you are eventually motivating the next one. Its not like Hamas is a simple bunch of people whom you can eliminate and say its job done. Its an ideology that will get transferred to the next generation if not already done.
You are expecting Netanyahu and his collaborators to behave like a coherent, western-type politician who at the very least will try to keep appearances. Netanyahu isn’t that. He is a twisted individual with far-right, dictatorial leanings. His policies towards Palestinians have far more in common with what the Nazi did to his own people, than with what a western republic would ostensibly do.
He has far more in common with Putin for that matter and watching the West, on one hand, turn a blind eye to that and Putin, on the other, cry about civilian deaths is extra nauseating. The hypocrisy and the duplicity are beyond belief and measure.
There will be no peace with Netanyahu in place no matter how brutally Israel treats Palestinians and vice-versa.
just wondering where the discussion on egypt starts here.
they too, share a border with Gaza and it seems like a logical place for aid to enter from and civilians to exit from.
im certainly not as researched as a lot of people on here, but are egypt not guilty by association here?
also, just for the layman…with Isreal ‘turning off’ access to essentials, why is there not a feed from Eygpt? and i dont mean a temporary one, i mean a permanant one prior to the latest outbreak, which seems like the most obvious and safest solution incase something like this did happen.
finally, why isnt the rest of the world, or some players within it, just taking matters into thier own hands and sending in aid via the coast?
there needs to be a collective hanging heads of shame.
why is Biden ‘requesting’ aid be let in?
notify all relevant players that a peaceful delivery of aid will begin from a coastal corridor starting at such and such a time.
i know alot of people will ‘tut, tut’ me for my niavity, but purely sitting around and waiting for Hamas and the IDF to ‘sort it out’ is pathetic on a global scale.
Literally every single step the Israeli governments of most of the last decade and a half has been leading down to this. Nothing excuses the actions of Hamas that precipitated this latest conflagration, but no one can say that the Israeli government’s hands are clean.
Egypt’s basic longer term position is based on few considerations:
At the time Hamas came to power in Gaza Egypt was having its own issues with the terrorist groups with close ties to Hamas (it is an off shoot of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood). The blockade was then put in primarily as an Egyptian national security measure to cut off those groups from each other.
Opening the border now to let in a large group creates big security concerns both in terms of the potential to strengthen ties with groups active in Egypt, but also in terms of Hamas then just continuing to conduct their confrontation with Israel from Egyptian territory. With as comfortable as Israel are at conducting cross border strikes they reasonably believe they would be inheriting a lot of the issues with Israel.
Israel have repeatedly raised the idea that one path to the two state solution is for Egypt to open their borders and carve out a Palestinian territory in the Sinai. Egypt are weary of putting themselves in a position where that starts getting credibly asked of them. That would effectively end the Palestinian claim to Palestine and they dont want to be the catalyst for that.
In the shorter term Egypt has coordinated in relief missions, but are unwilling to open the Rafah crossing to send it in without assurances from Israel it hasnt yet had.
I’m sure others can add to that or refine it, but I think that is essentially the maths of the situation, the bit that focuses on high level Geopolitics and excludes the actual human bit that can help people.
