How they did it.
Apparently (according to the IDF) they were fired by a âpro-Palestinian groupâ , not Hezbollah. Make of that what you will.
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Just as soon as the Gerald R Ford is sunk. This is the wider play. To draw in the US.
I wouldnât be surprised if Nasrullah plays this event to gain concessions/recognitions from Saudi and UAE.
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Is that the new name for PGMOL?
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I caught a bit of a televised statement that he gave yesterday. Iâve no idea what he had to say though beyond offering support for the attack.
I think you really see how hopeless the thinking is that so many in the US have responded to this with post 9/11 language akin to wanting to make the sand glow in the dark. Weâve collectively learned nothing and just keep being driven by vengeance, which can only rise from an attitude that has already decided there are good guys and bad guys in the conflict. Whatever Israel do is justified because they are the good guys, which leads to supposedly smart sane people leading a rallying call for wide spread war crimes to be enacted.
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In other news. there are conflicts in history that absolutely are caused by utterly grotesque humans.
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Escalation part of growing mosaic of crises, UN says
The conflict in Gaza has the potential to spread beyond the region, the head of the UNâs Refugee Agency has warned.
Speaking a little while ago, Filippo Grandi said the war would inevitably cause more suffering for both Israeli and Palestinian civilians.
He added it risked âbringing grave instability to a region already plagued by tensionsâ and represented âanother very dangerous piece in a growing mosaicâ of global crises.
Grandi added that if these crises were not addressed with courage then it would âspell doom for world peaceâ.
Not sure the UN have got any ground to stand on here with their comments. They have bowed down to Israel for decades by refusing to take any action of their illegal settelments.
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Thatâs assuming the the UN is a single body independent of its constituents though.
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https://twitter.com/bbcbreaking/status/1711478332351557755?s=46&t=WmjWm_FqqFdVHHP8b7dN9A
Again, fuck them.
Again, thatâs why we are here.
This atrocity was not carried out by the Palestinian people, it was the work of evil terrorists feeding on the misery and despair of the population.
Knee jerk vengeance will only continue the cycle of violence.
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At least ten people from the UK, have been murdered by the Hamas terrorists, or are missing.
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Those âcleverâ Palestinians have United a divided country, well done dumb fucks.
Israelis, united in shock, rally behind war to punish Hamas Israelis, united in shock, rally behind war to punish Hamas - BBC News
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Whole thing is a shitshow. A heartbreak.
A two state solution is needed. It has been a long time since an American President has talked about that.
Israel is the top dog. They have had their boot on the throat of the Palestinians for years.
There has been a reaction by Hamas. Horrible, wrong⊠but understandable. The outcome will be more bloodshed, a disproportionate amount of Palestinians getting killed, and Israel getting closer to the objective of taking more land and âcleansingâ it of Palestinians.
The only way forward is for an American President to talk sensibly about a two state solution and then negotiate it and enforce it.
But I think those days may be behind us, and if they are, the end game of all this is might is right, and Israel has the might.
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The two state solution was never anything other than a mirage. For a very brief period of time after Oslo it seemed plausible but it quickly became clear that Israel had no intention of honouring the commitments it made. What it did do was provide cover , by way of prolonging negotiations for final settlement talks ,to continue the illegal settlement building , thereby changing the âfacts on the groundâ virtually unimpeded , apart from a string of UN resolutions which were either ignored or vetoed by the US.
Netanyahu during his first two premierships would routinely hold out the hope of a two state solution when he was seeking something from his international sponsors. Yet as soon as he went into campaign mode he struck a very different tone. During the last election campaign he said the Palestinians would never have their own state.
Itâs this type of duplicity and political chicanery that Israel has engaged in for the last thirty years. Along with a steady drift to the right , culminating in todayâs openly racist administration , that has fed the despair and the sense of betrayal of the Palestinians.
A two state solution today is both politically and practically impossible. It is nothing more than a chimera. That realisation has been steadily growing for years and has given breathing space to the increasing Islamisation of Palestinian politics both in Gaza and , to a much lesser degree in the West Bank. Where Hamas was once a faction they can now legitimately claim to have a mandate. Even though when they were elected , it was only with about 40% support on a 75% turnout , and a lot of that âsupportâ was more a case people voting against the corruption of Fatah and the Palestinian Authority than voting for the Islamists , nevertheless that number has most likely grown by now.
Most commentators , and Palestinians (outside of the Islamist factions) , now accept that the only way for the Arab minority to achieve any kind of equality , improved living conditions and basic dignity will be through a one state solution. This is in fact what we have now but with the obvious imbalances and discrimination between Jews and Arabs. Israel chose to cement this inequality a few years back with itâs Jewish State Law (âIsrael is not a state of all its citizensâ but rather âof the Jewish peopleâand only it." - Netanyahu said.) and rowing back from that to create a new reality will take some serious political will , and leaders who are neither religious extremists or hopeless self-promoters. It will also take a serious change of heart and abandonment of magical thinking about the myth of a two state solution from the Americans.
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I get the impression that there is a fair bit of support for this amongst secular Jews in Israel. The thinking there being that they, themselves, are becoming second hand citizens.
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Spot on. US and the West know thereâs no chance of a 2 state solution. Continued settlement building has destroyed any hope. They just pretend as every western government wants to wash their hands of the situation until their term finishes. Giving Israel a carte blanche to do what they want, believing that Palestinians will give up hope and remain as refugees forever. Thatâs not going to happen
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Itâs right to say that Israel has performed acts of oppression, aggression and violence for a long time. But itâs not right to make it as if it was Israel and only Israel who is solely responsible for the chaos in this region.
For anyone thinking that for whatever Palestine or Israel do, itâs purely between two of them, that is naive. The conflict here unfortunately for the civilians in both Palestine and Israel is a proxy for all the aggression between Israel and some members of the Arab world since Israel was awarded a state.
My question is simple, in the hypothetical situation where today Israel back down, and gave everything Palestine wants, you all truly believe there will be peace, that some of these Arab aggressors will leave them alone?
It is not right to be killing innocent people. There are no right party here but perhaps many of us cannot also claim to live in a small country that since your formation has been told that âwe would destroy you, if we couldâ.
I seriously do not know how this will end and what even victory on either side will look like. There will only be losses of life because of the agenda and ego driven by corruption, greed and power.
I differ with many of you in terms I donât believe Israel is solely responsible, but as with probably many of you, we just want to see fighting stop so that people can just live.
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