They haven’t. There were never any disagreements among the Israelis regarding committing atrocities against the Palestinians.
It’s long overdue, by several decades, and never going to happen. I always wonder why the US (and the Western) leadership treat the Palestine issue like a taboo. Why do they deem the potential risks far outweighs the potential benefits?
Is it because a stable Middle East will lower the oil price and affect the profitability of the oil companies? Is it because a stable Middle East will slash the military spending in the region and affect the profitability of the arms manufacturers?
This is what really scares me. Hamas isn’t a terrorist organization like Al-Qaeda or ISIS. They have resources; millions of supporters, social infrastructure, etc. What prompted them to risk all those for no tangible gains?
I must admit that the thought has crossed my mind too. From Netanyahou’s perspective, the timing of this attack is absolutely marvelous. He and his fascist buddies were under real pressure from the street because of their antidemocratic reforms, hundreds of thousands of people were asking him to go.
Now, everything is forgotten, Israel is ‘at war’, the people don’t dare to go in the streets anymore, and Netanyahou calls for a wide cross-party coalition in order to ‘fight against the enemy’ (traduction: to bomb to ashes what is left from Gaza). How convenient.
Somewhat extreme thought I know, but given that Hamas are 100% fascists too, I wouldn’t even be surprised to learn that Netanyahou and Hamas plotted this in common. It’s in both their interest to stay in power. And frankly, who cares about a few thousands civilians, children who fall victim to this latest move, eh?
Its crazy to see you all descend into what appears to be soft conspiracy theory, just because its Israel. Because ordinarily we dont entertain such reasoning on here?
Protests and anti-Jewish chanting in Sydney after the Opera House was lit up in blue and white. Not happy with the conduct at the protests but don’t disagree with the protests themselves.
I strongly disagree with lighting up the opera House for this. Happy for the government’s obligatory condemnation of these terrorist attacks, which is exactly what they are, but not happy for sides to be taken on the never ending tit for tat that’s been going on in the region.
Have Israel now killed as many civilians in the last 48 hours as Hamas did in the attacks?
He’s an opportunist. He still has the ongoing fraud cases against him so anything that he can use to divert from that would be welcome. However, this is a clear failure from his administration and the ongoing hostage situation will remind people of that.
I thought I heard somewhere it was more, but am happy to be corrected if I am wrong. Although knowing what Netanyahu and the IDF is like I doubt it will take too long for those numbers to be 3:1 or higher
It depends on the figures quoted.At the moment there are slightly more Israeli civilians killed than Palestinians but the military losses are significantly higher for Hamas. This highlights both the terrorist intent of Hamas and the disregard that the Israelis have for collateral losses.
They can’t be seen to be acceding to anything less than what Israel wants. The Israeli government would therefore probably attempt to maximise what they can gain out of that.
Is the argument of “follow the money” still a valid one here?
I freely admit my knowledge if this part of the world, the history, culture etc. is woefully lacking but it’s suffered from external meddling for centuries.
I cannot believe the transposition. Where people are [on here] in effect saying Israel let this happen to maximise retaliation. They let their own people be abducted murdered and raped?! Is the greater consideration. its the same reasoning that was laughed at about 911.
We should stop to wonder where these ideas are populated from, subversion and active measures, form the enemy that planned and knew they would attack, only to then conflate the moral position, but originating such information. Its an absolute eastern philosophy of war.
When it is as simple as paragliders don’t trigger radar!! They move too slow, like birds, it would be going off all day. So this is the real reason why Israel missed it, and also, the site of atrocity, was only inside the border from Gaza anyway.
Oh yes, we do. Very often. For instance, PGMOL are corrupted.
Look, I’ve no idea of what is going on and what has prompted the latest waves of aggression. What I know is that the timing of all this is very convenient, both for Hamas and the fascists around Netanyahou.
I also notice that Mossad, an organization knows for its widespread infiltration and spionage work a bit everywhere, and especially in Gaza, has done one of these three things:
they have let this massive, massive attack, which took months if not years of preparation, unfold without noticing it.
Like the Eiffel Tower , the White House , Downing St. etc…
I have a real problem with this rush to be seen standing ‘shoulder to shoulder’ with Israel , and with our leaders’ timeworn declarations that ‘Israel has every right to defend itself’. Israel has already said that it is going to deprive a civilian population of two million people of food , water and electricity. What we are doing is making ourselves complicit in acts that are already being described as war crimes and throwing our unconditional support behind people like the Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant who justifies the measures by saying that we are dealing with ‘human animals’.
Surely a little more circumspection would be advisable before green lighting actions that will soon be filling our tv screens with even more horrors.
You could argue they had no choice if they wanted to stay relevant. The normalisation of relations between Israel and SA would have effectively rendered the whole Palestinian struggle into insignificance. Interest amongst Arab states had already collapsed since the Abraham Accords , for SA suddenly to withdraw its demands for conflict resolution would have meant the perpetuation of the hell that is life in Gaza.
It speaks a lot to how secure and free Israelis felt when they could stage a big music festival in the desert, right beside Gaza. In full view of people locked away like animals in a zoo (which happens to be how many Israelis view Palestinians)
There is a very strong faction within Isreal condemning their own countries actions towards Gaza and separately to the west bank. They were vocal before this outbreak and very notable even in the aftermath.
I just dont get this perspective. Haretz, the Isareli paper of record, had doubled down on their condemnation of Netenhayu, putting the blame for this outbreak of violence solely at his feet and increased the intensity of their calls for him to be removed. His own military have been publicly condemning him for putting them at risk because of his silly domestic politics.
He presented himself both on the campaign trail and once back in office as Mr Security. A guy who builds his brand on that has no room for a false flag operation, and certainly not one of this magnitude.
Now, one thing you can support is the idea that Hamas position has been bolstered by Netenyahu, both implicitly and explicitly. Bibi does not want a two state solution, nor does he really want a one state solution in which the Paestinians are involved. Hamas are the mirror opposite, a group with a no compromise “expel the jews and retake our land” perspective, and so while it feels they should be at odds, their perspective when it is allowed to be dominant idea in Palestine does provide a certain support for Bibi because as long as Hamas are in power he is under no pressure to work towards any sort of compromise position. So there is no doubt he has lifted them up at various times. Just not to the point of supporting this sort of event. max fish
