The thing is the jewish diaspora is overwhelmingly taking the strident Israeli zionist line and are very aggressively attacking anyone who is publicly showing a modicum of reasonableness. Unfortunately this Israeli government is representing the jewish people and their aggressive support of Israeli government actions amounts to support of genocidal actions when they really should know better.
If people leave because they canāt cope with others having a different opinion (or calling out blatant misinformation) then that says more about them than the form 
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Thereās been misinformation propagated from both the sides.
Remember how quick people were blaming Israel for the hospital attack ?
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Thatās the vocal minority speaking.
You wonāt have the silent majority speaking outā¦
Do muslims of arabian criticize Arabian countries when they do their routine shit stuff ?
Donāt be too keen on painting people with the same brush.
Even if they disapprove, the dissenting opinions donāt make the headlines.
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Yeah and just today theyāre threatening to bomb another hospital.
Edit: and we donāt yet know what happened at al-Ahli hospital. Certainly lots of discrepancies in Israelās acocunts. UN want independent investigation. Though god knows what will be left of anything by the time this is over
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Iāve actually seen far more Jewish groups and voices calling for a ceasefire than Christian, especially the evangelicals. Not sure if itās been discussed here about how much of the conflict is underpinned by Christian Zionism and itās influence on American politics
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The jewish lobby in Australia has been horribly aggressive.
I made a brief reference to how Hamas were following Iranian Shia theology in wanting to retake Jerusalem , much like the US Evangelicals want to , but no youāre right , it hasnāt been adressed as far as Iām aware , and itās a line well worth exploring and expounding on.
Yeah, thatās it in a nutshell. Both are exactly as toxic as each other, and encourage each other to always reach new levels of hate and violence. Nothing good will happen before they are both removed from power.
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I think there is a danger in what you are expressing, the difference between a well-worn playbook and an actual plan. Certainly, there is more than one aggressively chauvinist element in the Israeli government, and those are arguably the ascendant ones. They wish to escalate as far as they can go (which is likely as far as the US will let them go). But I donāt think that is a monolithic position within the Israeli government, and I donāt think they were remotely prepared for this.
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That post is now deleted, hadnāt noticed it before. Indeed, we should avoid at all costs to conflate all Jews with Netanyahou and his fascist gang, or all Palestinians with this band of disgusting terrorists calling themselves Hamas.
All posts committing this error should indeed be flagged, and weāll deal with it.
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For clarity, the way the moderation works is a flag appears and a post stays flagged until a moderator takes a look at it. Once it has been reviewed, the flag disappears for all of us. There is no consensus, implied or otherwise. That system is fine for something like a post-match thread, but is not particularly well-suited to a discussion like this.
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How should governments deal with Hamas?
Iām genuinely curious as to how to approach a terrorist organization like Hamas ?
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I actually wonder what the USās endgame is in all of this. Youāve rightly highlighted that Israel donāt seem to have a clear endgame to what they are currently doing, but what about the US? I struggle to understand what Biden actually hopes to achieve there, by letting Israel going on with their current massacre.
I think the end game is clear. The US wants what Israel wants.
Also the larger geopolitical game in which Palestinians are an inconvenience that no country wants.
Appease the jewish lobby
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I would never accuse US foreign policy of having a clear endgame. They are supporting Israel because it is politically impossible not to do so, not because it advances any objectives. As a conflict, this is damned awkward for the US, likely setting back Arab-Israeli relations by at least a decade.
Behind the scenes, it is very clear that the Biden administration is extremely uncomfortable with the Israeli course of action.
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Arab-israeli relations would probably be regularised 4-5 years from now at any rate. I doubt either side would overlook the $$$$
The lobby is incredibly powerful, in no way reflecting itās voting size.
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Someone who is knows Good Friday Agreement can say this better, but IRA/Sinn FĆ©in was involved in the negotiation, right?
I laughed out loud. True and tragic.
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