The “Trump peace plan” with probably Gaza being in possession of Israel.
theres the thing though…as powerful as the ‘jewish lobby’ might be, its not as powerful as the rest of what biden holds in his hand. (yknow, the rest of the powerful american lobbys)
too me, and to most people , its quite a simple equation… stop killing civilians.
its really not that hard. for some reason we all ‘buy into’ how hard diplomacy is …no doubt its a minefield under usual circumstances… but this has gone beyond that.
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He’s already recognized Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, he wouldn’t have any qualms making preposterous concessions and cause even more violence and catastrophy.
There’s a significant concentration of armored vehicles and defensive/protective build-up in that small north-west pocket in Gaza. Israel is probably building it up as a beachhead for the main invasion of Gaza.
What I’d like to know is…
If Israeli military intelligence is so good that they can even pinpoint the exact ambulance Hamas are using, why are they wiping out whole swathes of Gaza? Surely, more targeted strikes, using that incredibly accurate intel, would be both more successful and less likely to engender international outrage?
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They can’t. ‘Hamas was there’ is just the excuse they get in quickly everytime the bomb a school, hospital, ambulance, church etc
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As the lad in the milk ad used to say… Exactly!
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I daresay the democratic plan for peace right now would be the same anyway. Probably worded differently.
As long as Palestine get a piece of contiguous land with access to water and resources, thats probably it. That’s more important right now than persisting in claims for Jerusalem.
At this point, any future for the Palestinians which doesn’t involve them being bombed by the Israeli , being used as bait by Hamas or being under a corrupt leadership like Fatah is welcome. Atleast they’ll do something with their lives… Irrespective of the injustice met out to them
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Israel’s plan is to make Gaza not fit for human habitation.
I do believe their intent is to bomb the buildings and then wait out the terrorists hiding in the tunnels. At some point , they will have to come up.
And the whole ‘human shield’ excuse is vastly overblown. Where would you expect Hamas to hide its fighters and equipment otherwise , in the open fields that surround Gaza perhaps ? People need to get real and stop swallowing this bullshit as fact.
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my understanding of the situation below (i dont claim to be an expert)
the whole human shield thing is NOT vastly overblown.
Hamas are the representatives of Gaza. they have a responsibility to the population.
as Arminus put it perfectly above, you cant have it both ways, they cant win elections and claim to be representatives, and then not represent the people when it suits.
as representatives they are bound by international law. hiding amongst civilians , failing to surrender and holding civilian hostages are all war crimes.
please do not construe this as some form of acceptance of what isreal are doing in retaliation.
I wasn’t talking about the hostages when I spoke of human shields , rather I was talking about the excuses given by the IDF every time they drop their 2,000 lb bombs on appartment buildings knowing that they are going to kill lots of innocent people ,maybe just to take out a single Hamas commander. They laughingly call themselves ‘the most moral army in the world’ , and yet they do shit like that all the time and blame Hamas for their own actions. Like I said before ; Where else would you expect them to hide ?
An Hamas spokesman kinda gave the game away yesterday when he said the civilian population was the responsibility of the UN.
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That’s the govt abdicating their responsibility. But they should still be held accountable.
That’s the problem. There is no ‘right to hide’. An armed force that cannot win the combat and cannot continue the fight without disproportionate civilian casualties can have an obligation to surrender. The fact that Hamas have no option but to shelter among civilians does not change the fact that they are sheltering among civilians.
You sound increasingly like you are drinking the israeli koolaid.
No, quite the opposite in terms of my views on what is going on on the ground. Hence the discussion above about how I don’t think saying October 7 was genocide too is remotely useful. Israel’s vastly superior military power doesn’t obligate it to let Hamas hide behind Gazan civilians with impunity, but what is happening now is crossing some sort of line that current international conventions do a poor job of delineating.
The problem with all of these UN rapporteurs accusing Israel of genocide is that they already were. But something new and terrible is in fact happening now. New not in the sense that it has never happened anywhere before, but new to Gaza.
Gaza has a population density of nearly 5,500 skm. Wherever Hamas puts their rocket or other military hardware is bound to be in or around some population hub.
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Disagree. Will explain later.
Jabalia is heavily used by Hamas, including for rocket launches. Estimated population is 110,000 in a 1.5 km2 area.