They aren’t. Within their twelve-year reign, Hitler and his aids killed six millions Jews, and almost a million of other people in concentration camps: gypsies, disabled, homosexuals, political resistants. As a result of the war they started, roughly 75 million people died.
Fortunately for us, neither Putin nor indeed any contemporary autocrat can boast a similarly monstrous number of killed people. The only ones coming close to this are Hitler’s contemporaries Stalin and Mao.
That’s why it’s not helpful at all to compare Putin, Xi, Netanyahou or Hamas with the nazis.
The references to Hitler,Nazis and World War Two is an active part of the (for want of a better word) propaganda. “Never again”, is a key part of Israel justification. In this context it’s not for me Goodwins law. Rather pointing to the hypocrisy.
Comparisons to holocaust are wrong absolutely. However the ww2 counter is not a reductionist argument. As while Myanmar is closer analogy in terms of genocide, the issue most people have is invoking the events of WW2 as a justification/defence while performing any form of genocide.
Zero details yet. Presumably wider than that though, because their air campaign is wider than North Gaza. The intent appears to be a window in which civilian movement can occur safely.
The fact that Israel is willing to offer this suggests they know there are still an alarming number of civilians in Gaza City, and a storming operation will dramatically increase the rate of casualties among them.
I wasn’t speaking about Putin, but you still got me there.
Yeah, it’s easy to get drawn into these sort of comparisons. But as @ISMF said above, the truly vicious part in these comparisons is when they come from people willing to commit war crimes themselves, and using this tag in order to justify them.
In reaction to another report regarding behaviour in this thread, I’d like to remind everyone of the following facts.
Hamas committed the terror attack on Jerusalem and took hostages. Not Palestinians. Not Muslims. There are man Muslims, including in Palestine, against the terror attacks.
The response to the attacks, the bombing, cutting off supplies, is being committed by Israel, and specifically the Israeli Government. Not Jews or the Jewish. There are many Jews, including in Israel, against the response we’ve seen.
This continual misrepresentation of entire cultures of people and generalisations is not helping this thread to stay calm. As has been said we’ve lost two really good posters from our little football forum because of a disagreement about politics. That is two too many. Let’s not make it more.
This is a difficult subject, and there are going to be opinions on both sides that we disagree with. If you can’t cope with this, don’t get involved. If you do want to get involved, big boy (or girl) trousers on, and remember the terminology above please.
@PaulRoJo please can you try harder when debating in here not to resort to lazy generalisations - ie referring to Jews, when you actually mean the Israeli state. It’s easy done, but it isn’t helpful.
I will refer to the Jewish lobby when I talk about it thank you. Obviously this is a separate body from the Israeli government but much of what I am noting is how said Jewish lobby is so one eyed in its support for Israeli government killing.
If you are referring to a specific lobby group it would be better to refer to it by name. There are multiple lobby groups that have interests in foreign policy towards Israel or the interests of Jewish people within a particular country. They don’t represent all Jewish people and often have radically differing views.
“Jewish lobby” seems to indicate that the Jewish diaspora is a single homogenous group and that really isn’t the case. In fact it isn’t even the case within Israel itself.
While I agree with lots of things you’ve said here, I don’t think the term ‘Jewish lobby’ is helpful. It overgeneralises. As I said before, it is the Christian Zionist groups that seem to be doing most of the lobbying and influencing, especially of US politics. There are many Jewish groups leading the call for a ceasefire.
Edit: I recognise that ‘Christian Zionist’ could be seen as generalising term, but I’m not saying ‘Christian lobby’. I’m referring to a subgroup of radical, batshit crazy, but powerful, so-called christians
So Isrealis have protested for the release of hostages but not against the bombing of civilians in Gaza.To me this suggests the majority are in favour of the bombing of Gaza weather innocent Palestinian civilians are caught up in that makes little difference to them.
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