All I’ll say to this computer game nonsense is that our recruitment is so good not just because of who we buy, but who we don’t.
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I promised myself i wouldnt get involved in this but just a quick comment on this. You’re coming off sounding like a kid thats had a Ferrari for his 18th and is now moaning he wanted a lamborghini. You even say we have great owners. Why can’t you just be happy at that? When they leave we WILL have more trophies, we WILL have one of the best infrastructures in the league, we WILL be self sustaining and we will have the ability to continue to compete against teams and money we really shouldn’t be anywhere near.
Of course having Klopp helps now but for all we know the next manager may be better or perhaps the next manager will need all the extra funds we’ll have by FSG doing everything right now and we can be competitive without Klopp for the next few decades. You honestly come across as the sort of person who will moan we could have won the next 5 league titles instead of 4 if only the owners had splashed out on Mbappe and Haaland rather than just Mbappe because they could have afforded it if only they had taken on a bit more debt. These owners really are the best at what they do, i can’t think of any owner in any league i’d rather have, they’re doing well now and seem to be doing everything right for the future of this club.
If FSG pull out now we’ll be safe, Roman, for all the money he put into Chelsea and started off spending the same way you seem to want FSG to do could pull out now and bankrupt Chelsea if he wanted, that’s what splashing the cash could do to this club. I’m practically praying FSG stay in charge for the next few decades and come on here knowing there will be 1 person still not happy. We’ve never had it so good, perhaps that should be the 1 thing you take from this post but i already know you’ll come back with it could have been better, just remember it could have been (and under 99% of other owners probably would have been) much, much worse.
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Ok:
1st: I celebrate with the best of us I am ecstatic over this period under Klopp coming to fruition.
2nd I wouldn’t swap FSG there is no such thing as perfect owners and I’d take their flaws over any other owners different flaws. So I will be happy to see them stay for years.
3rd That doesn’t mean we should ignore those flaws, I’m not sure why it seems I’m not welcomed starting a proper conversation about the flaws of the owners in the owners thread.
4th I want this side winning what they can and will love every minute of that. If what I consider non sporting matters hold us back I will be fuming about it whether its officials or our owners or the authorities. I’m a fan I’m wanting us to be as successful as possible. I’m not going to see everything going right, everything optimised and us win something like a League and an FA Cup and say “well that’s not good enough”! If everything has been done and thats what we were able to win and we did thats fantastic!
5th I keep being purposely misrepresnted because it makes it easier to dismiss me. I don’t want what you’ve said above. I want us operating to our maximum. Three avenues were open to us during the pandemic to meet needs on the pitch (which is where we obviously achieve whats needed to keep the income coming in) that we didn’t take.
A) We had outstanding debt from our infrastructure work, we have continued paying it off very quickly, when incomes are hit its not unusual to reformat how quickly those debts are paid off, possibly by increasing how much interest is paid. Short term gain for extremely minimal impact later.
B) We are miles within FFP (like over £200m) there was absolutely nothing stopping us from declaring a higher loss, a new player or two coming in, even a star player, would not have made enough negative difference to the finances to get us anywhere near FFP issues. Importantly we know Klopp actually requested this and was turned down, presumably due to how bad the financial picture was? When it really wasn’t. Also on profits and losses under FSG ownership we are still really quite far in the green.
C) FSG benefitted during the pandemic from owning us and our increase in value (a lot tied to the infrastructure work) at about £530m. Buying and funding us has currently cost FSG less than £300m and we still “owe” them over £70m of that. Make no mistake FSG are now in the green from their ownership of us. FFP has it written into the rules that due to owners getting a benefit from work done that increases the valuation of their assets then owners are free to pay for that work outside of the football revenues. Academy costs too. FSG haven’t and don’t have to but are free to have met any of the £200-300m (possibly more) worth of costs that have helped them make over £200m profit on owning us without actually having sold us.
I love what we’ve won and I want us to win what we can win fairly without making a deal with the devil or putting our future in jeopardy. But if we could have won more under one of the best managers ever and so many contenders for “best in the world in their position” then I want them too. For our enjoyment and their legacies. At the moment the last few seasons its felt like we’ve held back on recruitment and not pressed the issue to make the squad as good as it can be. Even sometimes with massive issues outstanding on the pitch not being addressed. Then for 3 years on a run, despite what was leaked through the media at the time, its turned out there was much more room on the finances for us to maneuver than was believed/led to believe.
I don’t agree with that cautious approach with finances when we have needs on the pitch not being met. I especially don’t appreciate the PR games making us believe something fully knowing most fans will have forgotten about it 18 months later.
But if this is the complete package of being owned by FSG then so be it. Better the devil you know. But I’ll still discuss these flaws within the owners thread despite it not being a viewpoint welcomed on here.
Looks like you were spot on. Shows how repetitive and predictable the ‘discussion’ in this thread has become.
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While it’s your prerogative where and when you post; you never post in post-match threads, even when we won the Kangaroo cup. You stick almost exclusively to the Owners, who would you buy and unreliable rumours threads and spend the majority of your time complaining about not spending money.
That’s fine by all means, but don’t be surprised if the impression you give off is one that is only interested in us playing Footy manager and spending as much money as possible on the latest shiny toy.
Steer clear of the match threads because they move too fast and in the past got too vicious and nasty, not sure what they are like these days but back on TIA I decided to swerve them completely. I talk about players and their performances in the player threads and if theres anything not been said in the Klopp thread I’ll occasionally raise something. Keep up on former players, season and comparison too. Twelfth man/referees. In fact nearly everything LFC related except the actual match threads.
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Yet still the overwhelming majority in the three threads I mentioned.
Because thats where people don’t like what I say or why I say it so I end up in arguments on the internet. And you wonder why I stear clear of the turmoil of emotional posts in the match threads.
Me;
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Huh turns out I post as much about players as I do in ALL of the Albert threads combined, I was actually surprised myself (probably arguing about people not respecting Salah enough in my opinion 
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You’re mistaking your viewpoint not being welcome with people disagreeing with you because they think you are wrong.
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I’m not. There’s several posts now not actually arguing my points simply questioning me posting in here.
Lads, do you all remember that time we collectively hallucinated signing Ozan Kabak? Looks like @AnfieldRdDreamer was the only one unaffected.
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Yes you are.
Well, for starters because you are pushing your opinion of what their flaws are as fact, and often twisting events or what others say to support your viewpoint.
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@AnfieldRdDreamer regardless of our maths and our owner’s maths, if I owned Arsenal, I’d run them to make money. Simple as that.
We’re currently on for Quaketastic Quad-damage. Seems our owners are more than simple businessmen.
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I’m think I’m following it. Two main points… they are paying off the loan too fast, and they could have taken on more debt and stayed within FFP. The criticism seems to be that we could have bought another player or two if they restructured the debt and/or had the stomach to take on more debt during covid, while still staying within FFP.
They are successful, world class businessmen, and if their instinct was to be a little more cautious during the covid uncertainty, they can play their hand as they see fit. They have earned the right to do that. The difference is night and day, between where we were when they took us on, and where we are now, at all levels.
At this point it feels a bit like criticizing a striker for scoring a hat-trick, when he could have scored four!
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In your analogy they’ve actually scored a brace (Champions and first EPL in forever) when they could have had four (2 of each - lost a final and by 1pt in the league)
Of course it’s not like you’d still want to do much complaining about a striker who did that consistently.
You missed the most appealing option. They could have declared a “loss” that wouldn’t have impacted us with regards to ffp but also meant FSG gained more in profits than lost in losses during our ownership by them.
Do you think they knew that they could have declared a loss? (Of course they knew, rhetorical question!)
I can’t imagine that we know anything that they don’t, about their business options with regard to running Liverpool. So at that point they have all the information they need, likely much more than any of us from the outside looking in, and then they make the decision in keeping with their aims, preference, propensity for risk, and so on.
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Can you please explain this statement to me? Are you saying FSG could have taken a loss and because they were net positive in their overall ownership that would be fine? And also how are you referring to profit? Profit the club makes or profit the owners take out of the club or gained value of the club? Because an asset can appreciate but an owner can see no value of that until the time they sell, similar to real estate. Sure club value went up but that doesn’t mean FSG is now getting wealthy off the club. This is the biggest thing for me that I don’t get from your points.
I’m trying hard to ask this question without being confrontational but I seriously have a hard time following the logic.
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Again paper profits and losses mean absolutely nothing. Only cash flows matter.