They’re 2nd in the league and 16 points ahead of us
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Again, I’m talking about more recent form. In the time period I was referencing, we won 6 and lost 4, for 18 points. They won 6, drew 1, and lost 3, for 19 points. The main advantage they hold over us is having won 7 and drawn twice before that for 20 points, while we had won 2, drawn 4, and lost 3 for a total of 10 points.
The damage was done before then, not to mention we have a game in hand.
Oooooo…
I didn’t have you pegged for the kink, Gasband…
You must know my wife! 
This is ridiculous. You’re grabbing a small sample size and using it to say City and us are having a similar season. They’re 16 points ahead having had by their standards a crap season, 16 POINTS AHEAD!!!
As regards people stating things as gospel, we’re doing the same as you mate, just stating an opinion. The only one who doesn’t realise it’s an opinion is you. You are pushing back so strong as if you know more about the reasons than the rest of us. Give it a rest.
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That would be great inspiration for my next artistic penetration… I mean installation
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A small sample size? It’s literally 10 games. I’ve also pointed out that we were 9 points behind them for the 10 games before that. We’ve dropped 2 points further but against Chelsea in the game we’ve had since, and they have a game in hand. It’s not complicated mathematics.
I’m pushing back against narratives that have little basis in fact. Deal with it. I have no interest in letting these narratives and their tenuous links to factual bases dominate the discussion.
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So you float out an outlandish narrative to counterbalance it?!
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What outlandish narrative do you suggest I’m floating here?
That everything is going according to plan, that sudden en masse departure of staff from the recruitment and medical departments and the subsequent intransigence to replace them isn’t a sign of issues affecting the club.
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They are not, quite visibly so, I never denied it.
This is one of the things I’m arguing against. The supposed departures from the medical departments that everyone keeps harping on about are both routine, and in some cases, overreported as being from this season. In fact, a few of the departures mentioned by that Athletic article that keeps getting thrown about were in 2020.
Moxon himself only joined in 2020, after Massey left.
Intransigence? If you believe the rumours around the departures then you’ll also have to accept that Moxon’s departure was sudden, which means it’s not simply a case of a process or a pipeline delivering up a candidate ready to join. How many companies have spent months replacing a person in a vital role who quit suddenly?
Ward’s departure again is said to have come as a surprise, so why is anyone surprised that the club has not hired another candidate right away? Look at how long it took for us to actually get settled on a structure that worked.
I’m not saying there aren’t issues; I’m saying that the narrative around particular symptoms is overblown, and at many points, conveniently ignores the facts where it suits the narrative. Blaming our malaise on the ownership or uncertainty over the ownership ignores the fact that it’s Jürgen who didn’t think that we needed a new midfielder urgently until the dying days of the transfer window. It’s also conveniently a single scapegoat for a collective failure.
We have many issues, but the desire for a quick fix ignores the reality that there doesn’t exist any, and our systematic approach doesn’t usually care for quick fixes, instead preferring to solve the issues in the longer term, and build a system for producing, not an instance of, a winning team.
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I think before anything we need to re-establish the structure we had that worked so well. A proper DoF and a proper head of medical sciences. That equilibrium has been disrupted. Everything else, recruitment, retention, injuries…will resolve as a byproduct
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I agree with all of this, with the added ingredient that above it all the ownership needs to be sorted out too, whether that is a full sale, a partial sale, or whatever.
Clarity is needed at the top, and then the whole organization can have a chance to flourish. And what you set out seems sensible, and will hopefully be a key part of getting the right structure in place again.
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“They” hired Klopp and we won the PL and the CL (and CWC).
I’d rather have “them” than a Mid-East civil right violating state owning us. Cause if we “rush” them in their quest to find a buyer they’ll stick it to us worse.
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They look really angry