The Owners - FSG

He’s been injured more than once and recently a three game ban. Played 60 minutes for the u21 recently.

Have all the teams we have lost to spent more than us?

Agree but they don’t care we are just another investment for them.

You can say a lot bad things about Abramovitsj but at least he shows up every match Chellsea played.

John Henry could not care less if there is sand or air in a football the last thing he is interest in is watching us at Anfield.

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Can they come over for the Derby ironically their last game was the Bournemouth 9-0.

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You can push back, no problem but saying stuff like deal with it is not the way to do it.
You talk in absolutes when the reality is like the rest of us know very little.
You say I’m pushing back against narratives that have no basis in fact. Don’t you see the irony? First of all they’re not narratives, they’re people’s opinions. Second, we could easily retort that we’re pushing back against your narrative that has no basis in fact.
Third it makes you sound arrogant, maybe you’re just passionate.

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If there was some reluctance to spend from FSG, then the form we are showing this season will make them take off their rose tinted spectacles of thinking Klopp can net spend hardy anything and still bring in the trophies/qualification/prize money/TV money/etc.

One bad season does not negate what Klopp has achieved, so this summer they’ll have to back him. Keita and Ox’s huge salary will be off the books in the summer as well.

IMO we don’t need to do a Chelsea and bring in 10 players. That’s never been Klopp’s way. But getting in 2 or 3 much needed players is reasonable. Just like with VVD and Ali, if we have identified someone that can raise us, then go for it.

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Klopp will have to face reality. There are too many players who are either mentally or physically done. Or both. At least for LFC. The only limitation should be market conditions as far as sales are concerned. Everyone is expendable bar Bajcetic and Kellegher and Robertson.

That includes the new signings.

That might not have been his way before but he’ll have to change tack this off season

If this is true where would the money go? Into the pockets of the owner or into much needed improvements in the squad?

It’s the Daily Fail. 99% certain to be bullshit.

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So there’s a chance :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Nope, it’s not. Saying deal with it was in the heat of the moment, and I apologise.

I talk in absolutes about the things that I can be absolutely sure that are factual, e.g. the comparisons in points.

I’m referring to the media narrative in particular.

I don’t even have a particular narrative I believe, simply because there’s too little information out there to make a conclusion to anything. Whatever we say, and whatever I say that’s not factual, I am well aware is mere conjecture/speculation. I don’t even believe that the example scenarios I post are necessarily true either. I’m just offering up entirely plausible, and in many cases, more probable, based on the information we actually do have. Maybe I don’t make that clear enough, and that’s my fault.

As I point out frequently however, our view of the probability is very much dependent on what our prior beliefs are, and mine are quite clearly very strongly that much of the gossip out there about the club is based on the speculation of the writers, rather than actual sources in the club. For many others, it’s predicated on every single piece out there being true, especially by some supposed “in-the-know” journalists, who quite clearly don’t know shit.

Again, that’s fine, but don’t expect someone with my prior beliefs to just accept it when the blame game and scapegoating starts, just purely on the basis of the poster’s (not talking about you personally) beliefs in media falsehoods.

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I like this post hehehe.

My take is there is something big going on. I don’t know what or who or why.

I come to this conclusion because a club/team of stature, success doesn’t go from 2 gmes to winning a cuadruple to getting battered by Brighton, Brentford and Wolves and languishing in 10th place with no light at the end of this seasons tunnel.

On the team side of things, I don’t think the squad needs ripping up but we do need 2-4 of the right kind of players, ability and personality wise to freshen things up, especially in midfield.

The likes of Ox and Naby even Bobby have to be moved on (in the right way of course).

I just can’t see how this season is an outlier and everything will be back to normal without any changes.

My take is that I’m not surprised at all, given that we already have form for a hangover after a long season, and that we were already showing signs of fading last season.

I think far too many people are forgetting how much was being made of the players looking fatigued and barely making it over the finishing line, in the second half of the season.

I don’t know if I think Oxlade-Chamberlain, Keïta, or Firmino need to be moved on, but I think the idea that we need many changes is also overblown. If we remove ourselves from the perspective of the last few games (just recall how terrible January/February was in 2021), we’ll realise that there are promising signs, and that no matter how hard we work in training, it’s quite difficult to turn it around in just one or two games, and that there will always be the occasional (or more frequent) bad game in there.

Look at Jürgen’s post-match analysis, he thought that we were much better in the middle third of the game, we just needed to make our chances count, and we definitely need to avoid what happened in the first third. At this stage, we are beginning to be able to do it right for at least some portion of the game, now we need to work on the consistency.

It’ll be a long hard slog, but I don’t think we’ll be as bad off as people seem to think.

It says FSG (headline misleads) I did feel they might be the ones who would invest mine, they launched a portfolio that didn’t chime with the Milan takeover.

First bit of actual news mind.

On the players side could it be that Salah is paid far more than any other player?

I know if I was in a job and someone sid the same job as me and was paid far more there would be a lot of resentment.

Just a thought but who knows.

This was Wenger’s idea and implemented a wage structure to prevent it happening. He ended up with star players he couldnt pay enough to convince them to stay, and squad players who were no good but he couldnt get rid of because he’d paid them as if they were CL caliber players.

In the end, I’d rather a mid of the pack player looks at someone like Salah a bit jealously for how much he earns and then remembers he earns it because he wins us games, than have a player like Salah look at someone like Abou Diaby and think “how is it possible that they can only find the money to pay me the same as this clown?”

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If it was business insider I might believe it :wink:

However, Mo has been off his game for a year now and the pay rise was paid at his least productive time and for an ageing player.

For me I liked our old system where a good percentage of the pay was linked to performance

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