I’ve seen players do that, move towards the ball and deflect it with their arm which is by their side and not be penalised, load of rubbish IMO, should be a penalty!
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Maybe defenders just need to have their arms cut off?
oh wait I thought I was in the SandCastle thread.
It is a consideration. Players are supposed to be protected from having the ball blasted at them, but you’re right it’s at the ref’s discretion. That doesn’t apply here though given it came from a fairly good distance away and he moved himself into the flight of the ball to try to block it. You don’t get to claim the ball hit you when you move yourself into the path of it.
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Felt to me like he angled his arm to make sure it might hit it.
I’d be calling our player dumb and getting being called a numpty I assume.
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As I feared look who they appointed as refs and VAR Slot already voicing his concerns mentioning the last two games he screwed us over.
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They’ve started early this season.
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What is the point of this new ref cam if Sky refuse to show the footage of potentially key issues?
At halftime they showed the first corner and us clearing the ball, but cut it short just as the ball went to Coady when Joelinton nearly kicked his head off, but they stopped the footage and moved on without any comment of the foul - why? At the time I thought it could have been a red card.
Hooper allowed them Carte Blanch to kick 7 shades out of us for the first 20 odd minutes but miraculasely none of Newcastles early fouls where shown on ref cam
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Tackles like that can only go out after the 9pm watershed :0)
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Its nonsense, unnecessary are will always be dishonest. The camera will see stuff the ref doesn’t want to see anyway.
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As I suspected before the game when we knew the appointment of Hooper, I knew he would play to the crowd and gave them everything they wanted but the ungrateful sods insulted him throughout the match.
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Oddly John Brooks did at least show enough interest in the Gordon tackle. Why do I feel if that had been Oliver it would have been “yeah good process lads”
Would say the above article is a bit silly, refs will piss off managers at times and get booked. This idea he is another ref with a vendetta based on that is silly. Typical fan social media article.
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So this was given as offside against Burnley. Can someone please explain to me what part of the Burnley player (that can be used to score with) is offside here?
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They appear to have highlighted the shoulder above the sleeve. I’m pretty sure that if he had scored with that, it would have been given as handball.
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It is getting ridiculous the way the rules of football are being micro-managed to absurdity… Going from that image, and by default, what part of the Utd player could possibly be used to defend aginst the ball..!!
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You can legally touch the ball and therefore score with the shoulder. They generally define that as extending down the upper arm to the point of the sleeve line (which is actually an imaginary sleeve line of where the ref thinks a traditional sleeve line should fall 
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the bigger issue for me is the return of the “fingernail offside”, which no one wanted. It raises one of the big issues with ref orgs. One of the things that turned people against VAR was the punishment of offsides that were imperceptibly offside because “that is what the technology said.” The “increased threshold” was a huge improvement and an example of how people respond better when you take their wishes into account on what you are delivering for them. But now in transitioning to SAOD to address concerns over time and repeatability, they have junked that “increased threshold” and we’re back to decisions like this. Their “stakeholder” engagement is theatre and they end up making decisions about policy and guidance to please themselves
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TBH, I don’t have a problem with the automatic offside, because it should apply equally to all teams. It can be very narrow, but that is the nature of the rule.
My comment about the handball was that this isn’t automated, and I have seen plenty of discrepancy between what is and isn’t given as handball, even within the same matches.
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This is my view.
I think it should probably be got rid for everything else, everything else seems to be opinion led and there is no set standard even in the same game.
Wenger’s idea sounds bloody awful and Warnock is suggesting ex pros be involved. Considering their inane bias bollocks every week why would that make it any better?
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It’s an improvement, but there is no reason to have introduced it with this lack of “tolerance” given how much of a contentious issue that was with the old version of VAR for offside. Its bad for the decisions it will make, but its worse for what it says about how these organizations think about “improving the game”
The definition of the shoulder thing though is a mess and I get your take that there is every possibility a ref would have disallowed a goal that came off the part of the arm the SAOD system viewed as legal.
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