The Russian Invasion of Ukraine (Part 2)

Exactly, it has been responded to, explained, debunked, torn to pieces; so many times that it rivals sand grains in sahara (slight exaggeration). To read this absolute nonsense in July 2023 is mind boogling in it’s obscene idiocy and outrageous immorality. How is one supposed to spend time aruguing that crap for the thousand time? It is up to him/her to get out of is/her propaganda bubble and start doing some actual research on events prior to the war going back to 2014 at least and then events leading up the invasion.

I posted probably a hundred posts about the posibility of a coming invasion prior to the full scale invasion, using many and varied sources, pointing to the military build up the year before and the lies they used to justify it when they moved major forces there before pulling them back but leaving equippment for invasion behind, then again when they started to build up in the months prior to the invasion (LOOOOOOOOOOONG before the Russians came with their absurd and phony 8 point demands, which he some how still thinks was a serious attempt at negotiation and not a constructed Offical Pretext for War,) . No way am I lowing myself to debate that pro Kremlin-spin again in July 2023, particularly in a civil manner. It is deader than dead.

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the basis behind the grain deal

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I think that you are seriously misguided on just about every point you make. However, even if you were 100% right on everything, it still wouldn’t justify at the slightest what Putin and his cronies have done.

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Everyone just chill out! No one knows what’s going on behind the closed doors or what the true objection is. Can we all just agree what Putin did was wrong/nefarious/war criminal and should be removed from power, The Bidens/republicans/democrats are all corrupt and definitely profiting off this proxy war, Blackrock and Military Industrial Complex is definitely making a shirt ton of money and about to make more and we should be trying to negotiate peace deals instead of nuclear war / ww3.

peace deals is all great to talk about, but we all know that Russia isn’t going to withdraw from Ukraine involuntarily. None of the powers that be have personal interest in the soldiers that die on the front lines. If it were their children in the trenches you can be assured this would have been over a long time ago.

Has been this way for thousands of years. Megalomaniacs see something they want and must have at any cost. whether it be revenge, or power, or money. They stop at nothing.

This was isn’t subjugated by some Illuminati interest in global domination, but someone has to make the shells and bullets to go to war.

Ukraine was at peace for 25 years, until the Ukrainian people got tired of living under the repression of communism and struck out for independence. Hence, the Euromaiden revolution of 2013 which ousted Yanukovych (Russian puppet) from power. The EU was trying to get stability in Ukraine, enabling consistent trade of grain and other goods. Once Yanukovych was removed from government and an Pro-EU government was formed, Putin immediately went after Crimea so he wouldn’t lose his foothold on the Black Sea (Sevastopol).

Ukraine is one of the richest countries in Europe for natural resources and exports. A treasure to Putin and his oligarchs to profit off. Once he saw that treasure slipping away, the closer Ukraine got to signing agreements with the EU… He decided to invade Ukraine to annex it to Russia and claim it’s resources for his own.

Pure fucking greed.

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Anyone who has been following this for some time, can see that the invasion of Crimea and the signing of this agreement with Poroshenko was on the same date. Mar 21, 2014.

Pro-Russian Yanukovich refuses to sign this agreement with EU, and is handed a similar agreement by Putin to align with Russia/Belarus/Kazakhstan. Euromaidan happens, the Ukrainian public protests and oust Yanukovich. This isn’t a western psy-op. This is the will of the people of Ukraine who want independence from communist Russia.

The agreement comes after more than two decades in which both parties sought to establish closer ties with each other. On the one hand, the European Union wants to ensure that its imports of grain and natural gas from Ukraine, as well as its exports of goods to Ukraine, are not threatened by instability in the region, believing that instability could eventually be reduced through sociopolitical and economic reforms in Ukraine.[[7]]
(European Union–Ukraine Association Agreement - Wikipedia)[8] Ukraine, on the other hand, wants to increase its exports by benefiting from free trade with the European Union while attracting desirable external investments, as well as establishing closer ties with a sociopolitical entity to which many Ukrainians feel strong cultural connection. Western Ukraine is found to be generally more enthusiastic about EU membership than Eastern Ukraine.[9][10]

The political provisions of the treaty were signed on 21 March 2014 after a series of events that had stalled its ratification culminated in a revolution in Ukraine and overthrow of the then incumbent President of Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovych.[11] This ousting was sparked by Yanukovych’s last-minute[12] refusal to sign the agreement. Russia, Ukraine’s second largest trading partner, instead presented an association with the existing Customs Union of Russia, Belarus, and Kazakhstan as an alternative.[13][14] After 21 March 2014, matters relating to trade integration were temporarily set aside (awaiting the results of the 25 May 2014 Ukrainian presidential elections) until the European Union and the new Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko signed the economic part of the Ukraine–European Union Association Agreement on 27 June 2014,[2] and described this as Ukraine’s “first but most decisive step” towards EU membership.[15]

Titles III, V, VI and VII, and the related Annexes and Protocols of the Agreement have been provisionally applied since 1 November 2014, while Title IV has been applied from 1 January 2016,[16] as far as the provisions concern EU competences. Provisions formally came into force on 1 September 2017 following ratification of the Agreement by all signatories.[1]

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I note that they claimed 80% liberated in 2022 in the same ruined settlement.

Maybe not “communist Russia”, but no issues with anything else you said. But the Autocratic Kleptocracy, also called Mafia State in Russia, which relies on oligarch families and Siloviki and Pan-Rus nationalism under Muscowny dominion, isn’t very communist, but closer to the Tzar and his Boyars if we have to compare. It is an Russian Orthodox Empire they dream of, heirs of Rome and all of that nonsense.

Not criticism of your otherwise informative post, just issues with that single term and word, mate.

facts are facts, @magnus. if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck…

But the duck talks and walks like more like a combination of these, mate:

Anyway, you can call it what you want, an communism if you like. Not important enough for a long debate and kind of not very relevant anyway. But I call it something else because I think that is far more accurate myself.

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https://twitter.com/bradyafr/status/1679588546213036034
https://twitter.com/bradyafr/status/1679588548389773314

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1679596907138625538
https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1679611186306859012

Interessant, som vi seier på norsk…

I seldom post that many kill videos, because it’s a chore when there are so many and I don’t have time for it. But when I do it is mostly UA videos. So this time, to remind people how hard going it is, it’s a Russian kill.
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1679504540058501120

Russians pushing hard on Kremina axis and are unfortunately at the gates of the small logistics hub, Torske. If they capture it, UA may have to withdraw from the forest bulge and lose considerable tactical territory:

This because the only good road to use for supplies is the one from Torske and it will be very hard, if not perhaps impossible, to supply the forces on the other side of the river…

But we’ll see. This is unfortunately looking like a quite successful Russian spoiling attack for now.

It’s a bit unlike me to post an emotional video such as this, as I usually avoid the women and children stuff; but this one touched me a bit:
https://twitter.com/FreeCrimeaNow/status/1679128150746226689

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He doesn’t even try to make his lies make the slightest of sense (to anyone but a tankie) .

https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1679616450443583488

https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1679582824737783809
Ukraine has been unable to advance at Orikhiv front, significantly anyway.
https://twitter.com/VigorousFalcon/status/1679262241554833410

From yesterday. Always worth a watch even though I hate his click bait headlines:

Decent CNN report

Denys. Okay, he uses a map and have access to good sources, but he is no expert. Still worth watching:

An opinion:
https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1679639665651986433

Agreed. But it does mean that neutral countries are well within their rights to count NATO as an extension of US foreign policy.

Also the reason why you find quite a lot of countries (despite condemnation of Russia for initiating the ukraine conquest) not really that bothered now.

That’s true, but I think there is a growing realization in the West that our relationship with India in particular is nowhere near as friendly as we thought. India talks a great game, but follows its realpolitik interests at least as ruthlessly as any power in the world. Those have aligned with Russia of late, and Western countries are well within their rights to count India as a de facto Russian ally. That in turn is driving the discussion of adding India to the same legislation/policy regime that is developing toward China, economic restrictions for strategic considerations. The ‘neutral broker’ act is not really convincing.

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