The Steven Gerrard Thread

Gerrard can more than afford to have morals. If he chooses not to, that’s up to him. Doesn’t mean anyone else has to agree/approve of his decision.

Same goes for Robbie and Bobby

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Only youse two throwing around the word “outrage”, though, isn’t it?

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But lads, it’s money. How could you say no to money!?

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I sincerely hope he does well out there.

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I know of people around me who opposes the death penalty in Singapore and yet came to Singapore on a high expatriate package. :laughing:

In any case, for Gerrard, I am more curious not about why he took the job but more that of all people, he should know about the sentiments of the majority of the fans how they felt in general about the Saudis, was this in his consideration when he decided that the sentiments were not fair so should not be in consideration or was really the money so huge that over ridden the sentiments.

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I think it is as simple as this. The fairy tale progression to the top of management and maybe one day Anfield got derailed, and the question became ‘now what’? At least for now, he presumably doesn’t see a path forward, and perhaps faces a level of self-doubt that is really unfamiliar for him. I think the alternative was to take a job in the Championship or League One and really set about learning the craft, and he has probably decided that just isn’t for him after all.

This is a fair argument, but in that case, he could have easily taken up a well-paid job as a pundit at Sky or something, without the hassle of having to coach and manage a football club. But the offer must have been eye-watering, and he went to where the most money was. He’s already richer than 99,9% of the population, and his family set up for generations, but it’s still not enough it seems.

As far as I’m concerned, I’m not outraged at his decision, but certainly disappointed, as I expected better from our Stevie. He turns out to have no moral compass at all.

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if you take away the moral issues it’s a move that makes sense. his time at villa showed he’s not going to be a top manager, so it’s either go into punditry or take a job like this one with a nice pay packet and no pressure.

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:joy: :upside_down_face: :joy:

https://twitter.com/DFImpressionist/status/1676210060660277249?s=20

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Those saying he can ‘afford’ to have morals. Hmm, morals (values, true morals) can’t be bought or they’re not morals are they? I mean, you either have principles/morals or you don’t.

It’s not like: I don’t rape women. I’ll give you £20 million quid to do it. Oh, I can’t turn that down can I? It will set me and my family up for life.

What a funny idea as to what morals are.

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That’s a weird fucking analogy.

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There’s a huge difference in breaking the law and doing something morally ambiguous.

I admit I would go to work for this club in a second if it meant securing the financial future of my family because other than the lottery, there is no way I would ever have that much money.

If I already had £40m however, adding another £40m would make no difference to my life; in that situation I could afford to stick to my morals.

I don’t know if the whole thing is wearing me down, but I can’t be arsed with feeling much of anything about Stevie’s decision.

I’m sure he is going to make a lot of money for a stint in the Saudi sunshine. Equally, I’m certain the leaders of the country operate an oppressive and backwards regime.

Stevie will probably think, “How’s that my responsibility?” And then he will probably compartmentalize, and go about his business with little thought for how the leaders of Saudi Arabia run their country.

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If you lot start talking geopolitics, you’re going to open a whole can of worms that is out of scope in a more or less football thread. If you think our countries’ governments have done less atrocious things for national interest you’re naive.

From what I’ve read, looking at some of the broader perspective, the people in power in countries like Saudi, Qatar, UAE are steadily working to make their countries more modern, and come out of their dependence on oil. It is not going to happen in a day. You cannot wipe out a doctrine of a religion so easily, as most of you yourself know. Middle-east is in a different state of development. There is no reason to hate them for it.

Today’s media is very prone to showcasing only the negative news from certain parts of the world. You keep on reading such articles, and after a while, its not hard to think that these countries must be horrific or atrocious. In reality thats usually not the case.

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I’ll make a nice easy point here and won’t return.

Some say “you would do it if you were in his shoes”, as a gay man I couldn’t.

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Of course all countries have issues, skeletons in the closet, etc.

The significant difference is that Saudi football is state owned and led. In other countries it is a private enterprise, separate to the rulers of the country.

Well use any analogy. Point is, if your morals can be bought they’re not really mrals are they?

Morals: Definition - Principles of right and wrong.

Not really. You can believe that something is right or wrong but do the wrong thing anyway. Just means you are prepared to go against your morals for whatever reason. The moral and your belief in it still exists though.

I gonna sell if the Saudis are interested in my Seagull painting, I have no morals whatsoever!

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Yeah, no.
That means you don’t have morals or at least strong morals.