Been thinking about the delay in his sentencing being put back to Nov.26th. - Yes it’s post election, but does this date not fall in the ‘lame duck’ period, between election results being announced, and a President commencing their duties in early January 2025.
If the signs are he has lost, and lost by quite a significant margin, then yes, he will have hell to pay facing the courts on his existing charges…
If the signs show a close run vote, with lots of disputing going-on, then who knows how it will eventually play out.
Yet, even so, if he wins the election by a clear margin, his court date appearance for sentencing, is a full 6weeks before he takes office, or can issue any presidential order to stop all/any existing proceedings…!
Does this then mean, on 26th Nov. he can then be sent direct to jail, as in, straight to jail, do not pass GO type haste, or will his lawyers, once again, appeal the appeal, that has already been appealed about twenty times…!
If this is the case, putting him an entire wing to himself, with his secret service protection keeping him company, would also mean, he is prevented from making further anarchy threats, or repeating the Jan 06th style revolution
I really do hope this Bastard gets what he is long overdue
Yep , and he won’t be held in custody either. Furthermore , if he wins and the conviction is upheld then any sentence will not be served until his term is finished.
But then we delve into the murky cesspit that is the Presidential Pardon, and if he is president with this conviction hanging over his head after he leaves office, can he pardon himself? Then how would any challange to that pardon be held as he has stacked the Supreme Court so you can be certain that any SC ruling will no doubt include pressure from his people to rule in his favour.
I don’t understand this at all. So, the laws are different for Trump than anyone else? If he’s found guilty, then sentence him. Abstaining from doing that is definitely election inference.
This is everyone else’s argument. Especially as these are not new charges, but ones he knew were present when he elected to get into the race.
I think it is appropriate that in general DoJ and their state/local equivalents give some consideration for how to approach situations with electoral implications, but this sort of situation is not what people are thinking about when wanting protection against that.
I have a lot of sympathy with the view that delaying things is election interference. The legal process should run its course, and had Trump complied, and not delayed, blocked, and appealed the shit out of everything, this would have all run its course by now.
His tactics have meant that it is still an ongoing issue, and the fact that it coincides with the election shouldn’t come into it.
Still, this is America, and the sort of justice wealthy elites like Trump get is far removed from what happens to everyone else.
The question remains … will it ever all catch up with him?
I’m thinking of the Hemingway quote about how he went bankrupt - “Gradually at first, then very suddenly.”
Hopefully that’s what justice will look like for Trump. It has been gradual so far. If he loses the election I see everything turning on him. Sentencing for this case has already been scheduled. The other cases will be reinvigorated too. I suspect the Republican Party will start to throw him off too - not completely, but enough of them, because they won’t like a serial loser.
And if enough of them decouple from Trump, the Supreme Court might possibly grow a pair and actually enact a little justice here and there, instead of breaking with long established precedent to protect him.
As much as I agree with you , and not to mention that the same could be said of all the cases that he’s facing , does any of it really matter anymore ? If he wins in November all of these cases are going to disappear (including Georgia) and even his conviction in NY will be overturned.
The only way this latest filing becomes consequential is if Chutkan allows an unredacted version of the entire brief to be aired in public before the election , and if the Dems start saturating the airwaves with Jan 6 footage.
Of course , and like everything about these cases , nothing is a given. Trump’s team now have until Oct 17 to rebut that brief and can always ask for an extension on that date. That’s just another three weeks that they have to stall for until the General Election drops. Who would bet against them pulling it off ?
I’ve long ago determined that justice will not catch up with Trump and he is above the law… unless he loses the forthcoming election.
The election is much bigger than one man in that it is about the whole nation, and indeed America’s impact in the world. Just one example - it’s clear that one election outcome would be disastrous for the people of Ukraine, for example.
But narrowing the focus to justice for Trump, I think it all boils down to this election, ridiculous as it is to say that.
If he wins, it will all go away. Pardons, a friendly AG, a complicit Supreme Court. President Trump will be home free, enriching himself in every way he can imagine, with the first time around being child’s play in comparison.
But if he loses, I think the whole stack of cards is coming down.
He still might appeal and delay as much as possible, but he won’t be protected by office, or the specter of office. I think the wheels of justice that have moved so slowly for him will start to speed up, quite dramatically.
In addition, the GOP will decouple from him. He will always have his base, and they will always pine for their man, but the power brokers will decouple and move on, as he will be a serial loser and by that point, nearing 80 years old.
And the cult will say he will run the military from overseas and carry out the will of God as prescribed in the upside down Bible that he has not read but has favorite parts that he cannot quote because they are private matters he contemplates while advancing the American fast food industry.
But illegal aliens in Springfield are eating the dogs.
The ironic thing is… whether he wins the election or not, a jail cell might be the safest place for him, if he wants to live out the remainder of his days naturally.
IMO, the world remains in a dark place, and because of that, someone, whoever that may be, will want the infamy of being mentioned forever in the history books, for being associated with the demise of Trump
Being the richest man in the cemetery or not, he will soon be forgotten
No doubt. And even if he wins, we have a supreme court that should no longer be expected to uphold rule of law when it comes to their emperor president.
But the details, publicly released, were stunning in what Smith says he can prove. As soon as the timeline made it seem impossible to get convictions pre-election the best hope was this sort of public filing that could at least lay it all on the table. We are only 8 years past from a candidate getting to this stage of their campaign and being absolutely blacked out from communicating anything to the voters due to wall to wall coverage of a legal development the press used to press their positioning of the candidate as untrustworthy and dodgy, and all this over something that was in the cold light of day pretty trivial. The press have seeming decided this doesnt need any coverage though so the only people who could be swayed by the clarity of what Trump knew and what he tried to do will be left largely unaware of any of it.
You are right of course. But the fact that one single election bears so much importance for the country and the world is a declaration of bankrupcy for the US democracy imo. Never should one election hold such a pivotal importance. It shows that a lot is already broken. Within a stable system, an election is a relatively boring affair, and so it should be.
Also, the spectrum of fascism will continue to haunt the country, even if Harris wins. In four years, we will be there again, with possibly someone younger and more aggressive than Trump at the helm.
Edit: I should obviously add that with all the charges on his head, Trump shouldn’t be fit for candidacy. The fact that his personal well-being hinges on being re-elected is an absolute farce, a dangerous one too.
Would trump winning be that bad beyond him saving his ass and stealing another billion being president. Congress and Senate don’t get the same treatment as trump with maga. So is the house/Senate going to allow him to do anything if a democratic majority. Just throwing that out.
The Economy - Trump would lower taxes on the super rich and increase them for ordinary people. His tariffs would cause inflation and chaos on international markets.
Immigration - The plan to deport hundreds of thousands of people will cause chaos and create a climate of fear and persecution. His talk of bad genes and threat to number migrants is redolent of genetics based philosophies from recent history.
Climate - Gutting climate legislation and agencies will be disastrous in the face of the global crisis ahead. The plan to dissolve FEMA and meteorological agencies is supreme folly, especially in light of recent events. This one topic alone should be enough to make any informed voter turn against him.
Women - The removal of women’s rights to decide what to do with their bodies and the return to fifties style gender policies will deprive half the population of their hard won freedoms.
Education - Schools will be pushed towards a Christian based curriculum deemphasising science and inquiry.
Gun Control - No action on the continuing national tragedy.
Foreign Policy - Abandonment of Ukraine and deep division with NATO and other allies. Carte blanche for Russia and other dictatorships.
Supreme Court - The possibility of further strengthening of the deep right wing bias on the court, taking it even further away from mainstream public opinion.
In addition - Cutting of various benefits and support for the poor, minorities and other vulnerable groups.
The reelection of Trump would return to the WH a man who has no belief in, or understanding of Democracy. A man who was willing to foment an insurrection and sacrifice his own VP in order to cling to power. A man who lies and creates stories in order to seed division and conflict for his own gain.
