The Trials of Donald J Trump

When all the points are listed as you did here, it’s a truly frightening perpective to see him come back at the white house. :fearful:

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I’m sure Limie and others could add to that list.

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Firstly, we look unlikely to end up with a Democratic Senate. With only a third of the senate up for election in each cycle this is just a bad combination of seats for the Dems. They can only lose a net of 1 to stay in power, assuming Harris wins (if she doesnt the Vance will be the tie breaker in a 50-50 senate) and they are certain to lose the WV seat with Manchin’s retirement. With Tester struggling in MT that means to stay in the majority they need to win a series of toss ups without losing any (WI, MI, OH, PA, NV, AZ), and then win two races out of the Tester race and one of the current GOP seats from Texas, Florida, or Nebraska. Turning one of those 3 GOP seats would be a big shock. Turning two of those 4 races around while being perfect in their own defenses is not impossible, and there is still time for the races to changes, but for it all to happen we are at incredibly slim odds. The most like result is going to be a 48-52 GOP majority

More importantly though, the entire point of Project 2025 is to centralize power within the Executive Branch, and the Presidency more specifically. The power of the congress has been receding for years, albeit willingly, but the whole point of this project is to map out how to remove any checks and balances the system is supposed to place on the President, making the Unitary Executive Theory a reality (think Nixon’s “if the president does it then it isn’t illegal”).

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Millions. Even 10s of millions. We also need to keep at the forefront their now very clearly stated perspective that “illegal” is not an issue of rule of law, but simply who they feel should not be here. This goes beyond the issue with the Hatians in Ohio as the same perspective has been aired about political opponents with even the slightest bit of non-anglo heritage who have somewhere they can be “sent home” to. Trump has even explicitly stated that “citizens” will get caught up in the raids and that is just a price we have to pay to get the illegals out. “Illegal” is going to be a very loose and fluid definition.

While completely true that still undersells the seriousness and the impact of this. Even if you dont care about choice and think those conversations take place in the extremes, abortion is healthcare. These bans deprive women of frequently needed healthcare that makes pregnancy a case of Russian Roulette. Yes, most bans come with exceptions for health of the mother, but that just isn’t practically how the bans work because it turns every procedure a doctor decides is normally necessary into a lengthy, expensive, emotionally exhausting and potentially career ending legal defense. We have ample evidence that moves the line significantly on what doctors view as “health of the mother” and the result is women die in agonizing pain completely needlessly.

We will also see systematic and widespread redistribution of funding away from the wrong sorts of schools

This week we found out that in the early days of Covid when the US was still in a testing crisis Trump sent what has been reported as Covid tests to Putin for his person use. It is worse than that though - it was the testing systems used by hospitals not a collection of at home tests. Trump uses the Presidency to buy favour with other powerful people, and with most to offer are the sorts of people we should not be cosying up to and typically comes at the expense of US interests.

As bad as the court looks now, Thomas and Alito cannot go on forever. If Harris wins she isnt guaranteed to get to replace them (not least because the GOP led senate will almost certainly find a way to block any appointment Harris wanted to make), but both would almost certainly stand down towards the end of a Trump presidency allowing him to replace them with people who will at minimum lock in the Opus Dei majority for another decade, but in the long term maintain at least a 4 seat presence for the next 30 years.

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I think the biggest specific issue you left off is the elimination of the long and seriously held independence of the DoJ. Remember back to 2016 and the Clinton server investigation. The inflection point that made that spiral into all consuming news story from a transparent political pressure campaign was Bill and then AG talking in private for a short period while at a private airport both waiting for their planes to leave. That level of implied pressure on the head of the DOJ ostensibly running an investigation into Bill’s wife was treated as a scandal. Yet then look at how Trump ran his DoJ. Moving forward, they are very open about their perspective that the AG exists to protect the president and to carry out their wishes.

I think the biggest thing of all of this is a Trump presidency would just disintegrate the entire concept of knowable facts. Look how wildly and brazenly this campaign lies on a sentence to sentence basis. Now imagine a presidency doing that with a press corp even more cowed into stenographically just reporting what he says with no thought of reporting on whether it is true, and a Federal government that has been culled of professionals replaced by loyalists. If Trump wants to say we have the best employment record of any presidency ever, how are we going to verify that?

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Okay so let’s make it an autocracy. So ultimate power for Trump and no need for Senate/Congress. Can’t see this passing whoever is majority because it gets rid of both houses. You see these lot giving that up?

20 million deportations and in the mix how many legitimate holders of green cards? Losing them is a massive hit on the US tax base. I pay quite a lot of taxes, times that by x million legit earners.

Trump winning means he goes back to the golf course with minimal effort managing the country. Ego gets stroked he forgives himself and let’s other world leaders do whatever.

If Ukraine loses the rest of Europe is in trouble. Just a bad situation globally if he wins.

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Increased centralization of power and the removal of checks and balances does not require the dissolution of congress.

Yes, precisely. It is a catastrophic policy even if you ignore the moral angle and the spiritual damage it would cause

Yes precisely. This is why there has been such a focus on project 2025, which is not just a policy platform, it is a playbook for how to get these people into positions where they can implement the policies while Trump plays golf.

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In any event, the court is not persuaded that the USAO-DC prosecutors’ statements actually contradict the Government’s position in this case. It is entirely conceivable, for instance, that Defendant could share responsibility for the events of January 6 without such express authorization of rioters’ criminal actions that they could claim entrapment-by-estoppel or public authority defenses.

Has Donald ever shared anything, let alone responsibility?

(I guess you could say he has shared his ‘genes’ quite willingly…)

:nauseated_face:

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Maybe some STD’s?

Although I have no proof, so this is just an assumption based on the fact that he is a cunt, so seems like a cunt thing to do.

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Good, easy to understand summary of the recent Smith filing on the evidence they have on the soft coup

https://x.com/adamscochran/status/1847325683875238087

They have documented acknowledgment from before the election that they are not going to win any normal vote count. They then have lots of evidence of plans, all that were implemented all the way up to Pence refusing to be the final link in the chain, of a separate path to staying in power

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Nothing really new though. D’ya think the Dems are going to are going to be expending much energy on this between now and November ?

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I doubt it. As absurd as it is, the issue doesnt poll well for them, or least not among people who are still up for grabs.

I am sure there is a way to do it, but crafting and testing the right line of attack takes time, and the further out from the event in question it takes for you to find that the further uphil you have to push for the message to land. There just isnt time to make a craft a new argument now.

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https://twitter.com/i/status/1849460096780427703

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‘I didn’t talk to her (Cannon)’.

… because you didn’t have to. She was steered by your goon squad of constitutional lawyers. And she’ll be overturned , again.

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Not unexpected but still a kick in the pants

https://x.com/kyledcheney/status/1859984235739918468

The conviction isn’t being vacated (yet) but sentencing is suspended

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The Georgia one is as good as over too. This thread may as well be closed.

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Is not pressing ahead with the charges for a sitting President constitutional or just because of precedence?

Well there is no precedent involved , and a sitting President couldn’t be prosecuted anyway while in office , plus we’ve just had the SC immunity ruling.

It’s over. This cunt will never be held accountable for any of his crimes.

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That’s what I am curious, is this constitutional meaning they cannot even if evidence are there?