The Trials of Donald J Trump

I’m not entirely sure but I know it’s DOJ policy that anything related to a sitting President must wait until his term is over.

There is DOJ guidance that a sitting president cannot be indicted or prosecuted. Guidance is not law and can be ignored when it is deemed that needs must (see similar guidance being ignored by Comey in 2016 by openly discussing the reponeing if the Clinton email case the week before the election), but as this will be Trump’s DOJ no one assumes anything other than strict obedience to this guidance.

DOJ guidance does not apply to state cases so theoretically it should not impact the NYS or GA cases, but that is untested grounds. And with a Supreme Court that has already absurdly backed trump with rulings no one would have pretended to believe in 4 years before, there is a belief that trying to move ahead would hit a brick wall.

All of these cases are built on actions taken while President but not as president, which theoretically exclude them from the recent Supreme Court immunity case. Except again, that ruling was written in a way that didn’t give clear explanation of how the court would view that distinction. That was interpreted as them leaving the door open for Trump to challenge any continuance of any of these cases for them to pretend to believe whatever more specific argument he makes at that time. Basically the supreme court showed their hand in a way that told everyone they would find a way to prevent these prosecutions

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Trump won the election. In comparison to what he will do to the whole country, his own legal maneuverings to save his skin are small beer. For anyone who appreciates the rule of law it couldn’t be any more clear - that’s all gone now when it comes to Trump. The rule of law does not apply to him. He is above the law.

His considerable legal jeopardy, on numerous fronts, will all fall by the wayside.

Even worse, the illegal things that he will most certainly be planning to do as we look ahead to the next four years, will not touch him either. He has a cloak of invincibility over him as the President, enabled by an alarmingly partisan Supreme Court.

This was one of the things that was at stake in the recent election, ridiculous as it is to say.

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Never knew teflon came in orange.

Sad days that the law can be bent if you have the finance

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Smith has moved to dismiss the case saying the OLC memo makes holding the charges open until Trump is out office as not viable. This doesnt mention the DC Jan 6th case, but I assume that one is done as well given the argument used.

https://x.com/kylegriffin1/status/1861127726091973075

He is going ahead with the case for the 2 co-conspirators, but this feels wrong. Their role was subservient to Trump’s and there is ample precedent for not going ahead when in a situation like this, and Trump will exonerate them anyway.

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Confirmation that the paperwork has been filed on the election interference case as well. This is the fairly damning comment Smith made about the position he is now in

https://x.com/kylegriffin1/status/1861122740020810051

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‘Lawyer up guys’: MAGA lawyer threatens Trump’s prosecutors — with a specific statute

Story by Erik De La Garza

Right-wing lawyer Mike Davis upped his rhetoric against prosecutors who brought criminal cases against President-elect Donald Trump on Monday, even going as far as to suggest which charge he thinks Jack Smith and other prosecutors could face.

Declaring that people who engaged in the filing of criminal charges against Trump “must face consequences,” Davis said a criminal probe under 18 USC §241 – conspiracy against rights – could be what’s in store for state and federal prosecutors.

“This was blatant lawfare and election interference by President [Joe] Biden and these Democrat prosecutors,” Davis said Monday on Steve Bannon’s War Room podcast. “These Democrat prosecutors and witnesses and operatives and even judges who engaged in this unprecedented lawfare and election interference must face severe legal, political and financial consequences.”

Davis explained to Bannon and his viewers the federal charge of conspiracy against rights, which he said carries with it “many years in prison.”

“That’s when government officials conspire amongst themselves, and including private citizens like Andrew Weissman and Norm Eisen and others – when they conspire to violate the constitutional rights of Americans – you’re violating 18 USC §241,” Davis said. “When you politicize and weaponize intel agencies and law enforcement to go after your political enemies for non-crimes, that is the very definition of a violation of 18 USC §241."

He added that Smith is “very familiar” with the statute, and further characterized Trump’s multiple prosecutions in state and federal court as “very destructive.”

“All of these Democrat operatives engaged in a criminal conspiracy against rights, and they must face severe consequences for this so it never happens again,” Davis said. He later added: “Again, nobody is above the law, lawyer up guys.”

Bluster

Probably…

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Holy shit

Per the appeals court, there is no conflict of interest, but the case has suffered from controversies that even a suggestion of conflict mandates her removal as nothing else is sufficient to restore public confidence in the merits of the prosecution.

I dont know, how about not caving to bad faith arguments and instead use your ruling to reaffirm the prosecutions legitimacy by leaving it alone?

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That case is dead at this point.

Look, we need to get used to everyone just bending the knee for the next 4 years or so. SCOTUS effectively confirmed the President has absolute power, and Trump is more likely than most to wield it.

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Sure. It was dead prior to this as it is pretty uncontroversial even before Trump that a sitting president cannot be criminally investigated/tried during their time in office, and it is not realistic to be expected to sit on it and resume it in 4 years.

But this invalidation of the case is different. It is a level of subservience to Trump’s lies and distortions that goes way beyond having to hold your up and accept that legal justice lost at the ballot box in November.

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But that’s my point, you need to get used to that level of subservience. Trump is effectively God-emperor for the next four years and there’s not a whole lot that can be done about it, politically or legally-speaking.

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I said we should lock this thread up the day he was re-elected. The only bit of outstanding business to be taken seriously now is him getting his conviction thrown out in New York.

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I’ve been worn down with him. For a long time I kept an eye on his actions, and, like many sensible people, I was outraged by the new depths he continually plumbed. Lies, lies, lies. Nose in the trough. Making so much money from the grift. An ignorant man who has no grasp of anything, but it hasn’t held him back. Top secrets for sale. Justice not touching him. Jobs for family and friends. Kickbacks galore, etc.

Since he won the election I’ve not watched the news, or if I have, it has been a couple of unintended minutes before I changed the channel.

He is wholly unqualified, on any number of levels. But it doesn’t matter, because he is above the law and he just won the election.

I fully expect him to have learned how to manipulate the levers of power from his first term in office, and this time he will go much farther, unchecked. He will get much richer. That is a given. He will give succor to enemies. He will estrange allies. He will attack and hollow out numerous government departments to bend them to his wishes. The same could be said for most of the media, too. And on and on the list could go…

So, on a personal note, I’m just sort of surviving in a Trump adjacent world.

I know he’s there, and I know the sort of things he will do, but since I have no hope whatsoever that anyone will be able to stop him from doing whatever the heck he wants to do, whenever he wants to do it, I will try my best to ignore him.

At some point the outrage might rekindle, but I mostly feel numb and worn down. It is so clear and obvious what a disaster of a man he is, but alas, most of the voters do not see it that way.

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Historians still fight over why the Roman Empire collapsed.

At least this time around it’s happening in front of our eyes.

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I’ve become a little more “relaxed” about it. There’s a couple of staunch right wingers i know that were made up when he won and the rest of work piled in with some good hearted humour in my direction.

I’m just quietly sitting and waiting now. It’ll come as sure as @PeachesEnRegalia with pot noodle and a Baywatch rerun

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All our lives we’ve struggled with the questions - How did the Nazis get away with it? Where was the resistance? Why didn’t the decent people refuse to take part?
Well, now you’re seeing it play out in real time.

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I haven’t. :sunglasses:

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