There isn’t any official news on any transfers its all solely journalists putting a spin on a rumour.
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We can’t keep signing players at £40-50m and have them leave on a free.
I don’t have a problem with the idea that Latin American/Spanish/Portuguese players do a few years with us and then move on - and the idea that we’ll help you move on is something that we can even pitch to the player - but we have to be recouping a few. The way Real Madrid (and other clubs will follow) is that they are trying to engineer free transfers.
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Maybe the 6 & 8 year contracts Chelsea were throwing about last year and the one before have some merit, if only to stop some players leaving for free without us getting good longterm use out of them.
Think that has more to do with installments.
You will not want to keep certain players for a long time either, depends how they do.
The Trent situation is a rare one that happens from time to time (at least at at Liverpool), not a trend.
A numbers of factors led to this outcome. There is not one “guilty” party.
Some things in football are like they are, hard to prevent and we just have to accept it.
Try our best to prevent it next time? Try to remain on the better end of this transfer activity?
Of course, that’s what they do every day.
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No news…
Just trying to start an unreliable rumour.
In the unreliable rumour thread
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Yes, I think people are panicking about this a bit too much I’m not sure they have brought in that many players on a free in recent years, and Trent is one of those players that hits the headlines because he is such a good player.
For example, although they signed Mbappe on a free, didn’t they previously make a large bid for him?
Before that they picked up Alaba and Rudiger on free transfers.
I suspect we probably won’t see much news relating to premier league players going to other clubs in the league until after the final match of the season.
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Spoilsport!
Reported for going against the spirit of the thread.
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What can we do.
Start giving people 9-year contracts in the hope to lower chances of players being attractive on a free?
Not sign Latin players?
Not sign players who’s mothers have a picture of them with a * insert another top club * poster on their wall when they were 10?
Ask players for guarantees whether they get a semi-boner thinking about Real or another big club? Being sure to never change their opinion or motivation with time?
They would ask us some other guarantees which we would not be able to give them either.
Have their/agents’/family’s phones listened to, KGB style?
Football, transfers on a free and having moves in mind in advance from whichever side (player or club) didn’t start yesterday with Trent’s move. It will not stop very soon either.
Football might change some rules in the future that might protect or give more credit to Liverpool in this case with a local player who has come through from an early age.
But some things in a free world we cannot prevent.
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Why not? I don’t think we tend to factor in resale value of players we sign for the first team. We simply don’t really sell them. Since Coutinho, we’ve let the following players with significant first-team roles go (fees sourced from Wikipedida):
- Can – free
- Ward – £12.5m (not sure if I’d count him as significant first-team role though)
- Solanke – £19m
- Sturridge – free
- Moreno – free
- Ings – £18m
- Mignolet – £6.4m
- Clyne – free
- Lallana – free
- Lovren – £10.9m
- Wijnaldum – free
- Shaqiri – £9.5m
- Karius – free
- Origi – free
- Mané – £27.5m
- Minamino – £13m
- Williams – £16m
- Milner – free
- Keïta – free
- Oxlade-Chamberlain – free
- Firmino – free
- Henderson – £12m
- Fabinho – £40m
I’m too lazy to look up how much we brought each of them in for but in the last 5 names I’m pretty sure there’s close to £150m of free transfers, and Henderson would have been a free transfer too if not for the Saudis. £20m he was in 2011, wasn’t it? Not sure if there would have been any other takers for £40m Fabinho either. Wijnaldum was a hefty fee, as was Lallana. I think we lucked out on Mané too.
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Think we will learn from the Trent episode. He was a bit of a unique case as well, homegrown lifelong Red from the Academy, a very unique player who was at times intrinsic in our attacking incisiveness and creativity. Not really someone you can straightaway put up for sale if he doesn’t agree to a contract with 2 or even one year left on it.
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And even homegrown lifelong reds are more likely to be like Macmanaman, Owen, and (sigh) Trent rather than Stevie G, Carra, or Robbie.
I’ll love Rafa forever just because he brought Robbie back home and let him say goodbye properly.
Especially not when you have a placeholder temp contractor in place as your SD at the time the 2 year mark comes up. You don’t take a move that big if you are not the person who is going to be hamstrung by the consequences of it.
We did well to get through that post-Ward period the way we did, with the beginnings of the next generation side, but it did absolutely cause some problems
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Isn’t that kind of self-contradictory? If he was a unique case there isn’t much to be learnt from it…
I think the club are probably fine with the outcome, if I’m being honest. Otherwise we’d probably have pushed a lot harder to retain him.
The" placeholder "Schamdtke didn’t do half bad too in his limited time with the club. Atleast with incoming transfers.
What hurt us was him not being able to renegotiate contracts because he was only seen as a stop gap arrangement.
But in terms of incoming transfers. We got 4 midfielders none of whom could be classified as a failure as a transfer. 3 of whom are the first choice starting midfielders. All for the combined price of a Caicedo.
I remember being pretty pissed off with the club not being able to sell Moreno at the time - though I was being nice in comparison to how I felt about the club signing him in the first place when I saw him doing a 180-degree turn to be able to hit the ball with his strong foot.
Also, Keita and AOC - I felt in the end that they were there to offset all the good luck Liverpool had with their proper transfers. I think AOC could have been sold a year before his contract was about to run out but I accept that no one in their right mind would have bought Keita on the back of his injuries.
Otherwise, I’m not displeased with players who left us on a free (TAA not included). The club have earned a fair bit of money from selling academy products, which has proven a decent source of income over the last ten years (or, in Man City’s case, the main legal reason why they are still “compliant” with PSR).
I think the way to see it is the way that the likes of Bournemouth or Brighton do, which is to look at the overall portfolio rather than individuals. Sure we might make heavy “losses” on some, but on the whole for the expenditure we do fairly alright footballing-wise.
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The club is very much like “if you don’t want to stay we won’t force you” since Jurgen came. Doubt that’s changed. He defo wanted to go. VVD and Mo defo wanted to stay. The rest was details.
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I’m talking financially as well. I have a feeling that they tend to structure contracts with the assumption that the player leaves for free at the end…
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