Just want Sir Jim to buy in, keep the Glaziers and Quatar to buy us. I know but now, money talks.
Nah, not for me. FSG might not be saints, but theyâre at least not human rights abusing scum who want to use sports to launder their image.
If we get bought by an oil state then Iâll likely stop watching and buying merch. Football is already close to dead, but at least Liverpool are still somewhat on the level.
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I gave it a thumbs up for your honesty. Itâs not a popular opinion, and Peaches nails it with what many people might say.
With that said, I half wonder if over time there has been a drip, drip sort of thing and resistance has worn down for some, so that perhaps there might be more fans than we realize who would be open to Qatari money.
Even without a drip drip, if we were bought by Qatar tomorrow way more fans would get on board with it than seems to be the case with it just being discussed a hypothetical. I do think it would have a significantly more negative impact with liverpool than with most clubs
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For all the old-school supporters who would walk away (me included), thereâd be many more global âfansâ who would be attracted to the club.
These new fans donât give a flying fuck about history, ethics or principles. All that matters to them is instant gratification.
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I want to win. Itâs very simple. Given Liverpoolâs history, canât exactly hold the moral high ground.
Absolutely itâs about winning, you wonât find any fan anywhere in the world who doesnât want thatâŚbut there are other means.
Jimmy boy or Glazers buying us would be 100x better,
Leave the Qatariâs to the Mancs they go hand in hand, the Manc scums would be able to connect on a more even playing field with them than if it were LiverpoolâŚ
I do wonder how many would actually carry out that claim. Being old school doesnât mean you canât embrace change. No matter how questionable it is.
Could you elaborate on this, please?
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Slavery?
Much of Liverpoolâs wealth came from slavery. From about 1750 until 1807, between a third and a half of Liverpoolâs trade was with Africa and the Caribbean. Virtually all the leading inhabitants of the town, including the Mayors, Town Councillors and MPs, invested in the slave trade and profited from it.
What are you on about? So, someone canât have morals now because of terrible things done in the past?
You do know slavery still goes on donât you?
That goes for Portugal, Holland, France, Spain etc and also parts of Africa itself.
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Plainly you can read so you know exactly what Iâm on about. The idea that ill gotten wealth is at odds with Liverpoolâs historical traditions is clearly, demonstrably and for many, uncomfortably, laughable.
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So what? Howâs that relevant to this conversation?
So, someone canât have morals now because of terrible things done in the past?
What about this question?
Because ill gotten wealth is ill gotten wealth. So of course itâs relevant. It would be hard to find wealth and riches gained by a city or a country gained in a lilly white way.
Also, people are talking of a more ârecentâ history.
The country benefitted very well from Empire.
No town or city I assume wasnât touched by that wealth.
And it was ghastly, and however many railways you find it wasnât aimed as a benefit of the peopleâs of that country.
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Didnât UK as such benefit massively from colonialism ?
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Yes, thatâs why itâs ok now to go down the same path according to some or one on hereâs logic.
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Of course you can. I was responding to the notion that Quatar would be particularly at odds with Liverpool as if the city is the paragon of morality.
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Funny thing is that in another thead on this forum, slavery is considered a modern event and VERY much relevant to today.