UK Politics Thread (Part 1)

Fixed it for you

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In some miniscule way he may actually be right. It’s not so much the deal that is the problem but the whole idea.

By leaving the Customs Union and single market there was no real way that fisherman were not going to suffer in some manner. I cant see one anyway. They have literally been stitched up like a kipper

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Fishing industry really have no one to blame but themselves. You could see this problem coming years ago, most of British catch needs to get to European markets because it has no significant UK market. Businesses should think long and hard before supporting put up a barrier between themselves and the customer. Plus, when push came to shove, the Conservatives were never going to prioritize the commercial terms for such a minor industry over the financial sector - the emotive and symbolic assertion of sovereignty was the limit of their interest.

The only real surprise is that the financial sector did not get a great deal more.

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There’s been two things that jump out at me from this whole fishing thing.

  1. None of them (the fishermen) asked where they were going to sell their fish post Brexit. It was all about control of waters, catch more etc etc.

  2. You would have also thought that the one thing that Boris would have prioritised in the deal was fishing. If they could have got that right they could have probably gotten away with absolutely anything else, provided the fishing was sorted. It certainly was a big deal during negotiations but I just wonder if they had hamstrung themselves or realised that it simply wasn’t possible?

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I don’t think Johnson could really prioritize fishing access and fishing rights at the same time. The removal of access rights from EU vessels was already a significant loss for the EU side, regardless of the fact that it turns out much of that access may be useless to the British side. It was absurdly naive of the fishing industry to expect they would obtain their dream scenario with no downsides while most other sectors would experience at the very minimum significant adjustment costs.

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I think most of the Scottish industry was highlighting the expected problems faced by brexit and were against it. Unfortunately, it appears the voices in the Industry calling for Brexit came from a distinct wealthy minority. I don’t know if that was also the same for other parts of the GB fishing industry.

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That’s probably it. You cant have both, it was heads or tails.

@redfanman I’m not sure. The Scottish Fishing Federation actually supported it. I think they’re screaming daylight robbery now.

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Yes, the Federation supported it, but the industry itself was quite divided

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1350084397433806858?s=20
https://twitter.com/CreelScff/status/1350111108540076033?s=20

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Cheers

it’s tough to feel sorry for them though. They’ve got exactly what they wanted but failed to read the small print. That said the small print was very small and very well hidden so perhaps my feelings are harsh.

The weird thing thing is that as these stories come out I’m actually not overly chuffed about it, or basking in the glory of a “told you so” moment. It’s actually quite tragic.

Stories like £40k of foods, animals that were alive not so long ago, dead for no reason other than politics. Businesses having days before they go under. Boats simply not leaving harbour.

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The sad thing is that the fishing industry is only the headline act in the spotlight. Many hundreds of other businesses and activities will feel the effects of brexit as time goes on now. Only covid19 is masking the widespread damage that brexit has brought and will bring. The so called moderate left leaning (tory donor lead) BBC will carefully tiptoe through the coverage to make sure the general public don’t realise they’ve been screwed, with the Brucie bonus of a blue passport, by the right wing Tufton street crew.

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What’s the real impact in money terms of 1p on income tax?

Just remembering back to the Question time hero (possibly plant) that kicked up a stink for raising income tax for those earning over £80k per year? the rise actually worked out to something like £5 per week or something but they never tell you that.

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There have been quite a few industries being highlighted in GB as having issues. The meat and car industries for example.

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right thread?

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