Isn’t the whole of the UK due to Englanders?
I think that happens if Scotland leaves. Even more so if Wales does as well. It’s a real problem for Labour I think.
They have to push united UK policies and push back against the Tories at the same time.
What they should really be pushing for is PR but they’ve never really got behind it as much as the Lib Dems.
If they really pushed for PR it would force the country into coalitions and the most natural bedfellows are Labour and the LibDems (despite what 2010 might otherwise suggest). But also the Greens would enjoy greater representation and they would also be more natural partners for Labour.
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If you were in charge the police would be carrying flame throwers.
That doesn’t make any sense.
You have (for now) a legal right to peaceful protest. So if a police officer twats me round the head because someone else threw something, and they can’t be arsed to investigate it and find the culprit, so just decide to crack a random head, it’s my own fault for being there?
That’s actually quite a scary opinion. Pretty much backing police state totalitarianism.
The crime is throwing a brick at a police officer, not being on a protest. Exercising your democratic right to a protest should mean the police are allowed to crack your head because a) you are doing nothing illegal, and b) the police shouldn’t be able to just crack peoples heads anyway.
How wonderful for you.
Yes, how wonderful for me. Maybe I just have a higher tolerance of shit in my life and less prone to publicly complain about it.
You’re an officer faced with a baying mob. Somebody bricks the officer next to you whilst you’re being screamed at, spat at and physically assaulted. Are you putting your shield (the fact you need one says everything) down and taking statements? Sorry, which of us can’t see the other side outside our own bubble? If you’re not there you can’t be in trouble and there’s GOING to be trouble.
Remember when English football fans trashed city centres because they were hideous loutish pissheaded extremists who went for a punch up? If you went along and got arrested for doing nothing, was it any surprise?
Another subject where we won’t even agree where the floor is, I’m off to play cricket with jnr.
That’s their job.
Absolutely, that’s the logical way forward. It’s convincing the electorate is the problem. The Tories would have a field day reminding them that there’s already been a referendum on it.
While PR is a big answer there also needs to be a massive programme of reform across the UK. Across the 4 nations and even down to North vs South and even lower than that to be honest.
it’s frustrating to watch how the left side of UK politics cant pull together in any shape of form. They always seem to end up on the wrong side of the argument or are too busy infighting.
No, it absolutely isn’t. Nobody’s job is to be abused.
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Interesting and you are right but does that right extend to the public as well?
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Yes, until such point as the public break the law with violent and malicious intent.
Still doesn’t give them the right to twat a random person for being there. I don’t think you have fully grasped what a frightening state of affairs you are advocating.
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But you’ve just said they deserve to get abused just for being near someone else who is “acting like a twat”.
That’s not right.
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Didn’t say deserved, check again. It’s expected I think was my phrase. You and 4 mates burn a pub down. You’re just there and don’t actually do anything. You’re in the shit if caught.
If a protest was all candles and peace outside lockdown and the police went full baton charge, heads should roll. Nobody’s arguing otherwise. But something like this deserves a rubber truncheon, strangely the people causing trouble look surprisingly like swampy, pro trouble makers. Don’t associate yourself with them and then there’s no trouble. It’s not rocket science:
You are and the law has things in place to deal with it.
Just being present at a vigil or demonstration that kicks off or has one person trying to start a riot doesn’t mean you’re guilty of anything.
I think there were similar events held in other parts of the country such as Nottingham where the police acted differently and the event went peacefully.
No but you will get dragged into the wake of it.
Again, that’s quite an assumption
No, people do get dragged into it otherwise this wouldn’t be a topic for debate.
Some, not all. Not by a long way
Every police officer knows what their signing up for.