I gave up on the English public a very long time ago. My only consolation thought is brainwashing and even that is tin foil hat territory. I just don’t know where it all went wrong just felt it even before I left the wretched place.
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Equally, the SNP have been doing a pretty fine job themselves of fucking up Scotland and profiting in corruption and cronyism!
So many politicians are just a bunch of incompetent cunts, aren’t they?
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No there shouldn’t, ever. Riots are not protests, they’re a breakdown of public order. Another brick I can throw at Boris is that he scrapped the water cannons.
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That’s an ethical debate.
My comment was commentary on the behaviour of the Tory government. In many places their actions would have lead to civil unrest.
It’s not that long ago Gordon Brown lost an election for calling a woman bigoted. Today Johnson can say he would rather the bodies pile high, and it’s already yesterday’s news. Scandals are hitting the party every week.
It’s an interesting debate though if violence/riots can ever be justified ? I think it can if the motive is based upon principles (justice, equality or freedom). Not simply hijacked for anarchy.
Sadly we live in a world we’re leaders are deaf to peoples voices, and will oppress. All other options have been exhausted. Be it Chinese government in HK or BLM protesters turning violent after mistreated by police. (The issue why they we’re protesting)
Violence can be argued gives a voice and does instigate rapid change. It’s a blunt tool, and frequently backfires. But for me it’s frequently understandable and on occasions justifiable.
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I took your mention of riots as a figure of speech to enforce the disillution that should be creating a reaction but is not.
We can talk of civil disobedience, unrest, sit ins which all fall into that bracket when using riots as in that sense.
The extraordinary fact is the inaction of the English. It beggars belief!
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To be honest, after all this time, I find it incredibly difficult to understand why nothing has yet been done to eliminate the problem (cladding).
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It looks like a pretty new/modern building. Good news that none was hurt. Also, I’m struggling to understand this cladding panel thing. Where is it used?
Edit: I understand cladding is used on the outside/exterior of a building. So how does it affect the fire?
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As the BBC keep saying and reminding us, ‘who cares?’
It all falls under the same bracket, public inaction will always lead to this sort of thing.
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Built around 2003.
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The Fire Safety Bill is currently going through Parliament Fire Safety Bill 2019-2021 - House of Commons Library.
The Grenfell Inquiry is ongoing with hearings set to resume on Monday
https://www.grenfelltowerinquiry.org.uk/
The evidence coming out really puts the industry under the spotlight. Incredible amount of dishonesty, fraud, corruption, appallingly lax regulation and oversight, some very poor decisions, and at the heart of this US, French and Irish companies falsifying the safety of their products.
They should all be held accountable for covering the cost of ripping out all of their unsafe products and paying for the installation of products that are appropriate. Hopefully this will be what’s demanded of them through the Fire Safety Bill when it is passed later this year.
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For me it looks a bit like that, instead of quickly eliminating the problem, they spend years in finding out who is actually to blame. And most of the time it’s someone else.
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Yet the problem is known to be the cladding that was used and that all buildings that have that cladding need to be recladded. Complete incompetence!
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Think of every point of contact that that cladding has with the building. Ducts, windows, fixings etc etc. Fire spreads very easily without good engineering and products. Even with those things, in cases of serious fires, you can only ever slow their propegation.
As an example, set the plastic outlet of a combi-boiler alight and see how long it is till the inside is alight which just could be in a wooden cupboard. Goodbye flat. And the one next door etc etc etc. Just an example, plastic frames go very nicely once properly burning.
It’s a door test but gives you an idea:
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Working for a London Borough, straight after Grenfell, our Council identified a housing estate that used the same cladding, and we went through a massive (and I mean massive) operation to temporarily re-house all the residents there so that work could quickly begin to replace the cladding. I would say a large proportion of council staff were involved in organising temporary accommodation and whatever else was necessary. This was for a single housing block, and went on for a number of weeks.
I work for what I would say is a fairly wealthy london borough…at least as wealthy as a borough can be under a Conservative government. Tower Hamlets may be a different story. They may have tens of housing estates clad in this. Tower Hamlets may also have a much larger proportion of high rise housing as well. Still, there has been 2 1/2 years (excluding COVID period which would not be a great time to rehouse residents) to do this work so the question must be why it hasnt happened yet.
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Those fumes look dangerous!
Another outstanding piece from the always excellent Aditya Chakrabortty:
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One of the many reasons I love Liverpool:
The Conservative candidate lost her deposit. 
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Will we ever see anyone jailed for Grenfell?
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