UK Politics Thread (Part 1)

Yes, training (costs and time) can be prohibitive but there are organisations out there offering government-funded assistance for those wanting to go into it.

Even so, the government need to offer further help here by perhaps setting a minimum wage for those driving HGVs. Wages are likely to go up anyway in the short term due to demand but long term those rises need to be maintained.

In the interim the government could add HGV drivers to its SOL (Skilled Occupation List) to help bring in drivers from abroad.

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Cheers I was not aware of that scheme.

Putting some stability into the wages structure would certainly help or it will become an auction.

Who is in charge of the governments SOL? A certain Pritti Patel maybe? Difficulty for the government is doing something that admits a Brexit failure as well. They seem to be happy to ride through the consequences rather than admit problems. That is a major issue in itself.

Replying to both this and @Noo_Noo in the same post, since they’re broadly on similar lines.

If I understand it correctly, there are structural issues in the industry quite apart from Brexit and COVID, especially around working hours and conditions, that makes it rather unattractive. Now I’m not saying a pay rise magically solves all issues, but I’m saying that it is a good benefit, and should go some way in compensating for the said structural issues, even if there is ultimately still a shortfall.

I’m not saying Brexit and COVID were needed in order to start rebalancing the economy, I’m saying there’s certainly an opportunity here narrative-wise at least.

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Thing is, for me, this is one of the areas I anticipated that Brexit would deliver. The ability to have flexible but focused immigration policies. Adjusting depending on where there was a need in the economy/workforce.

That’s the way certain media outlets will have you see it I think.

There may be some opportunities but I think we’re lacking the foundations at the moment. I honestly dont think this government is capable or willing to put those foundations in place. It would be admitting that there are issues and they dont seem to be willing to take that first step.

Simple truth is we need solutions.

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Big surprise there. That requires hard work, which unfortunately seems to be beyond the crew in office.

What do you mean?

I mean that there will be certain media outlets that will paint anything as an opportunity and a bright new dawn while ignoring the harder hitting flipside to the same issue. The same thing that most outlets have been doing for some time to be fair

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The triple lock pension pledge should just be scrapped. Probably the worst financial millstone of the last ten years. Utterly stupid.

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No because it was cheaper to hire immigrants which is why they came. Our neighbours are heading back to Poland as the money they’ve made in the past ten years will build them a palace back home, Bloody good on them :slight_smile:

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I blame Blair, send everybody to University, that will help.

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Bringing in cheap foreign labour, to work on poverty wages, all to undermine the indigenous workforce.

Maggie Thatcher would be proud of you.

To do a job that lots in this country couldn’t be arsed to do. I take that as a compliment :slight_smile:

Heard a farmer in tears on 5 live last year as he knew he wouldn’t be able to get the labour to pick his crops this year as all his usual staff (foreign) were going home and he knew full well that non of the (indigenous if there is such a thing) locals would do it. Wages too low or cantbearseditis?

I’ve taken enough flak for this standpoint over the years, the thing about stereotypes is…….

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Fair play to you for seeing that this is the farmers fault and not those that put him in that position.

Why do you think people come here to pick fruit?

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Then enjoy a few years of employment before driverless vehicles render you obsolete.

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It’s going to take quite a few decades [if ever] before guidance systems are installed on all the UK’s roads that might enable driverless trucks.

Let’s face it, it should be a lot easier to do it on the the railways, but where are the driverless trains?

Even when the technology might be available, it is often just too expensive to be cost effective.

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No chance of missing the potholes either.

or the sheep up here for that matter.

Quick response, I don’t see the farmer as being the fault. I see the issue being people who were born here and indigenous as considering base wage hard labour jobs as being beneath them. Why pick fruit all day when you can do fuck all for a bit less money?

Ok so what’s the problem here? Wages too low or welfare too high?

Long discussion. I’d argue that if people don’t need to work, some won’t.

Yeah, no.

That will always be true, if anything just from the sheer number of people who exist. Will everyone not work? No. Will everyone work? Also no.

If you’re such an ardent supporter of the free market, surely the answer is that the wages are piss-poor for the nature of the work considering the other opportunities available?