[quote=“Mascot, post:5711, topic:351”]
The Conservatives certainly have their factions…[/quote]
Well, yes, that’s my point. The Euro-sceptic wing of the conservatives for example has always been a pain to the rest of the party - but usually knew when to stop pushing.
We basically accept, even joke about, the fact that politicians, of all colours, are basically dishonest liars.
Why is this the accepted reality? Surely after decades of lies, dishonesty and misrepresentations, we should be saying “enough is enough”. Instead, we adhere to and often support this outdated and broken charade of democracy.
Instead of complaining about the individual players and their parties we should be questioning and examining how the idea of democracy came to this sorry shambles.
The system is broken beyond repair and it needs a radical fix to restore any semblance of democracy.
Because everyone is tired and broken from 40 years of neoliberal capitalism.
That is certainly a contributing factor - but there are other considerations - The media, the communications revolution, automation, the decline of education, social shifts of attitude etc.
It is undeniable that the current system no longer represents the needs of the majority of citizens. A just and fair method of electoral representation could be the catalyst that reshapes, reigns in and controls some of the more negative aspects of society and governance
And yet, when given the opportunity to get behind AV ten years ago, the Labour party were as divided as ever.
This sounds like old but welcome ground where we’ve discussed proportional representation and @cynicaloldgit comes along with the “dumbing down” thoughts.
I think the “they’re all liars” is a bit of a lazy excuse to be honest, Boris Johnson as the clear exception as people are as you say fed up of a system that really doesn’t seem to work for them and their thoughts are not being listened to. And yet they still vote for the same crowd that keep them in that position.
I find it quite bizarre to be honest. Even now with the UK really starting to struggle under the weight of a poor pandemic response, Covid inflicted troubles across the world and being the first country to vote for economic sanctions on itself, many people are still blind to the people that basically put the UK in this position.
Ah well, I’ve got a long email to write. @Kopstar will not be pleased.
Ah well.
As if I would 
Wow just realised that is one special jumper, pullover, fake black sheep disguise.
Batty
Why was this change even needed???
Some Tory donor running a printing business?
Well, clearly this should resolve all the tension around Northern Ireland.
I actually had no idea those stickers were a regulatory requirement.
Shift of policy perhaps?
No longer trying to put the Great back in Britain but just keeping the Kingdom United?
I forgot to say. My lamp post doubling as EV charging point idea was too late but I hit the jackpot with the "let’s change the stickers from GB to UK. Btw, I’ve just set up a company that could do this for you. No, no, you’re welcome. Same again, Matt?
Excellent.
Half a shandy over here, barman."
Fucking ludicrous.
I bet there’s a mint to be made by stationers, getting redesigns of all governmental letterheads etc.
Could this not just be people that are passionate about justice and a fundamental change in politics from neoliberalism to some form of socialism? They felt hope for this first time under Corbyn and his radical manifesto, but now feel this is further away than ever as Starmer purges the left.
i.e. it comes from a place of passion and concern about society, not an ideological focus on the Labour party
Quite possibly my biggest facepalm moment as a Labour member.
I bet there have been a few
To someone like me who doesn’t actually pay that close attention (although admittedly more than most still), it just feels like childish spats. It’s become more about who “wins” rather than actually forging real plans and direction. Maybe it’s just the media coverage, but I barely see any substantive debate, more of an “I’m left you’re right my way or the highway” identity struggle rather than an actual ideological struggle.
