MPs are going to end up conducting their surgeries from behind screens.
Appalling situation we find ourselves in.
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An absolute tragedy and my most sincere condolences to Sir David’s family and friends.
However, such murders are the inevitable consequence of a political system that aims to divide people and portray those who do not agree with us as the enemy.
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Do we know that it was politically motivated? As far as I can tell no one knows anything about the reason for this attack yet.
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New thread on this or here?
Utterly hideous. @Mascot as you said, talking to your MP will in future be zoom or like going to the bank. Listening to 5 Live earlier, the security expert pointed out that people who go to see their MP are not usually really happy people there to give compliments. You’re always going to be facing a shitstorm. But when that gets violent… So sad, so very sad.
There was a question on that quiz above. I suspect you know which one is applicable here and I suspect you know my answer.
You’re right. We need to be careful about assuming this is politically motivated or motivated by hatred. The most likely scenario is that the killer is a mentally disturbed individual who should have been in professional care.
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I can only offer my condolences to his family.
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Awful for British political discourse and an Open Democracy. Joe Cox is very recent and now this. The more of these horrific events happens, the less Open UK democracy will become.
Hopefully, this is a psychiatric case and not political, as that would be even more ugly.
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While I don’t disagree with that at all, the disturbing fact is that 21st century populism has activated many of those underlying problems in people, and focused them on the political.
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Because that is an answer for all violent acts?
Mental illness stigmatised over and over because of this type of assumption.
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There are no words. This is fucking nonsense.
The poor man is dead, due to a violent act. There is no better scenario, though an easier one to understand if the perpetrator is “psychiatric”.
I think I’ve seen this narrative before. Someone murders left wing politician, they’re a right-wing gammon fascist.
Someone murders a Conservative politician, they probably have mental health problems.
Where’s that colour chart that determines whether someone is a terrorist or not?
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Femi being Femi.
“Do-gooder”
Media reporting that the suspect was from Somalia.
Respectfully, I don’t see the nonsense in what I said. The difference is that the post-murder fallout can be worse if it is political in my view. The murder is committed, one can’t do anything about that now. But motive matters too when something as gruesome as this happens. I for one am very glad that the killer in Norway seems to be a psychiatric case and not a seriously politically motivated attack, since that tends to lead to some very serious backlash. Because what follows after is usually worse if it is political. That doesn’t mean that it is better for the direct victim and kin obviously. But for greater society quite likely.
That is what I meant and only what I meant as I hope you didn’t read anything else into what I said.
In any case, it is a terrible tragedy no matter how one views this or what motive one hopes for. I am sorry if I offended you.
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Absolutely awfully tasteless tweet.
What narrative is that? In the case of Jo Cox it was proven that she was murdered by somebody with links to extreme far right neo nazi groups with extreme fascist ideologies.
At this point we know very little about what has taken place today, and I have no idea why people in here or on Twitter are speculating so much and trying to politically point score on a day of such tragedy.
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I think it’s the jumping to conclusions that’s revealing. Or the need to offer up an alternative. Whatever the case may be.
But your response is also indicative. There’s no room in your characterisation of Jo Cox’s killer for him to also be considered disturbed or unwell.
Does that not go without saying? Of course he was a disturbed individual, normal people don’t tend to go into a room and shoot or stab somebody to death.
The guy had fantasised about killing “a traitor to white people” for the best part of 17 years. He did have some sort of a history of mental illness but was also declared sane on the day of the crime and fully in control of his own actions. He was also a man who held dangerous extremist far right, fascist beliefs and should be labelled as such. That is a fact, not a narrative.
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Greens, SNP, Labour and Lib Dems all over 91%. How is it so many partys can be offering such similar policies?
It gives some perspective to why there’s so much dissaccord within the Labour party as they have sections that ‘specialise’ on particular questions (like green issues, economic issues etc). I mean can you ever see Greens, Lib Dems and Labour ever getting together?
Btw I probably should have given more thoughtful weightings to my answers even so it’s pretty accurate. 91-94% for 4 partys. 
Tories with 17% must be due to unthoughtful weightings. 