UK Politics Thread (Part 2)

Fair point. But that still doesn’t put his integrity or value system in doubt.

In fact, if you’re a Labour leader that the billionaire press isn’t trying to destroy I’d argue that you’re doing something wrong.

The political system needs a revolution and the chances of that were lost for a generation after Corbyn (IMO)

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That was nothing really compared to what’s in the Forde report

Saw the headline. That’s disappointing imo.

If Corbyn and Long-Bailey are the best faces of the revolution then it’s already lost.

Especially for someone who does believe that drastic change is needed to shake up this undemocratic unequal system, they are too flawed to be the faces of that change.

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In my opinion contracts are only as good as what’s in them. Too often these types of contracts are too loose. Secondly, the whole overhead and profit side doesn’t sit well with me. Profits are in the 30-40% gross region for projects with consultants. Add in a charge for overhead and I’m struggling to see where the bang for buck is.

My experience of it local authorities does not deliver value imo.

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I think the United Kingdom has changed and for Labour to win then need to be smart and need to play to centre ground.

That might be unpalatable, but it’s a somewhat stacked deck. With the electoral system and press. Labour could win popular vote but still lose. The challenge is you have an aging population and a country that is naturally more conservative in its values.

Coupled to that Labours traditional core has diminished because the UK has moved to a service based economy. Your far more likely today to be on a zero hour contract, be an Uber driver or work in a call centre than work in steel, coal or work in a manufacturing industry.

The harsh reality is Labours downfall at last election (who had all the policies that traditionally appealed to working class) is that they did not resonate with many regions who are traditionally working class.

Labour has also lost Scotland and will be a long time before it returns.

For me Labour can’t win on a platform of socialism. (Which is it’s core). It can win on being the party of boring competence, and bringing in social values. If you set up a ideological left-right battle, you get pulled down to level of the current Tory party. The quote that springs to mind is “Never wrestle with a pig. You get just as dirty and the pig enjoys it”

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:rofl:

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Care to name these flaws?

Step away from the Daily Mail

I’m loving this cosplay Thatcher thing Truss is doing. It’s fucking insane.

But it’s working

Is it?
I can not say but I hope so just for my humour, pissing myself and hopeing it will continue, Sunak would bore the life out of me. :rofl:

I was going to say the same, but it scares me. There is something just not right with this one. Everything looks plastic, everything. Clothes, skin, hair, expressions, the lot. Even a deeper voice.

Surprised no one has linked recent interviews by Simon Calder on the queues at Dover. He’s been giving some hefty but polite truth bombs to the right wing brexit press of late. I’ll find a clip later unless someone can get one earlier.

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This is from GB News, so the comment section is hilarious/sad.

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All jokes aside, UK politics has reached a new low point, in which an actual part of the campaign was candidates trying to prove which of them was the most bigoted and had the likes of Penny Mordaunt trying to pretend she wasn’t a normal tolerant person who once spoke up for trans rights - because apparently that is frowned upon.

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Is it because appealing to the basest dark deluded desires of the lowest common denominator is the quickest way to power? Is that why these Tories are willing to gut the country to stay in power?

Are you having a laugh?

Let’s start with Long-Bailey since it’s the easier one. She comes across as someone who can’t think for herself, who’s only adopting wholesale whatever dogma the clique around Corbyn is spouting. This one is more of an impression, but it’s the one I formed after watching her during her leadership campaign. If she wasn’t the anointed successor, she would not have made it as far as she did, and rightly so. I’m open to having my mind changed, but I don’t think she’s proven me wrong in anyway since that impression formed.

Corbyn. His strange love for Russia being a blind spot preventing him from actively condemning them from the start. His clinging on to the belief that NATO must be dismantled at all costs, blinding him to the real injustices in the Russian invasion. His reluctance to ascribe blame for Skripal’s poisoning to Russia.

His inability to stick to message. Labour had a well-loved fully-costed manifesto that they ran on in 2019, only to keep adding things on at the last minute. If you want to lead, knowing the full media bombardment that’s going to come up against you, don’t give them fuel, especially to those who would claim that Labour are fiscally irresponsible. It just smacks of desperation. You had a costed manifesto, stick to it. His refusal to nip the anti-semitism problem in the bud by confronting it head-on and rooting it out completely. Instead, his rampant denial of the problem only fed fuel to the fire, once again.

He’s got the right heart in some places, but the absolutely wrong brain. I was excited when the 2019 manifesto came out, but after that, it just felt like Labour kept insisting on shooting itself in the foot upwards.

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Rebecca Wrong-Daily. Simply awful. The tin woman of Labour.

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