UK Politics Thread (Part 2)

[Mascot]

@Klopptimist

Yes, we can’t all become royals in the UK with hard work. But my child and grandkids could be. Can’t say I’d encourage it. I bet absolutely no very attractive girls get let into clubs to meet very wealthy people and, shall we say, work hard? Use your talents, whatever they are. What’s the saying, sleeping to the top? One of the oldest professions. I’m not advocating it just suggesting that it’s possible and not entirely about birth. Bit late for me like

[Noo_Noo]

@Klopptimist

Comparatively, we do all have royal status. Imagine a starving orphan from Africa being teleported to your kitchen and seeing a tap for the first time. Forget royalty, they’d think you were a god living in heaven.

Yes, we can’t all become royals in the UK with hard work. But my child and grandkids could be. Can’t say I’d encourage it. I bet absolutely no very attractive girls get let into clubs to meet very wealthy people and, shall we say, work hard? Use your talents, whatever they are. What’s the saying, sleeping to the top? One of the oldest professions. I’m not advocating it just suggesting that it’s possible and not entirely about birth. Bit late for me like

Andrew? umm… how’s it going?

[Aurelio]

Nice question. An idealistic objection for me. Although that doesn’t mean a compromise, such as a further reduced monarchy wouldn’t be appealing.

[jaffod]

The amount of ethnic diversity of those queueing to nod at a box isn’t representative of the ethnic diversity of London or the country as a whole.
Not sure what that tells us but it’s pretty noticeable.

[ILLOK]

Two IEDs were found on the railway by Newton-Le-Willows yesterday.

Fortunately, the tories haven’t managed to cut Network Rail staff as much as they’d like yet so they were able to spot them on a routine inspection.

This might be worth bearing in mind when these very same workers go on strike again soon.

[redfanman]

@ILLOK

Two IEDs were found on the railway by Newton-Le-Willows yesterday.

Who would have been likely to have placed those?

[ILLOK]

@redfanman

@ILLOK

Two IEDs were found on the railway by Newton-Le-Willows yesterday.

Who would have been likely to have placed those?

@Klopptimist lives fairly close and has experience with explosives.

[redfanman]

@gasband

I just read up that in the UK, referendums arw not legally binding meaning government is not bound to act on the results, is that true? That for Brexit, it was the government who chose to act on it not as a result of obligation?

From memory of the discussions back on TIA about the referendums I think they can be legally binding if they set a particularly high threshold (65 or 75%?). No threshold was set for this one but Parliament made a commitment to honour the decision. This then became a manifesto commitment by Labour and the Conservatives once Cameron stepped down (I can’t remember what the Lib Dems had in their manifesto at the time but they were largely ignored anyway for backtracking on their commitments once they had formed the co-alition goverment in 2010.

[redfanman]

Richard Baldwin

Richard Baldwin

[redfanman]

Chris Bertram

[tesh]

@gasband

Free

Nothing is free! Everything has a price.

[redalways]

@Klopptimist

Ever left a restaurant review for a good meal?

You don’t???

[redfanman]

Ian Leslie

[Kopstar]

@Mascot

@odin_telamon

Cameron fucked up and then sulked and quit, truth is I can see the simplicity behind the question and tbh it was the right question to ask,

If it was the right question to ask, then the Referendum should have never been the end of the matter, especially one as close as it was.

The vagueness of the question then inevitably gave the impetus to more hardline elements to seize control of the process, arguing that their hard Brexit was what the public actually wanted.

That was always going to happen, and as much as the likes of @Kopstar made intelligent, compelling arguments for what Brexit could look like, it was always a fantasy because the reality was that it was idiots driving it.

The actual mode/type of leaving the EU could/should have been vastly superior but ultimately what will shape its success (or not) will be more significantly influenced by the governments to come.

[Kopstar]

@gasband

I just read up that in the UK, referendums arw not legally binding meaning government is not bound to act on the results, is that true? That for Brexit, it was the government who chose to act on it not as a result of obligation?

This referendum was non-binding legally but the government had committed to implementing the result. This was then ratified by Parliament when it authorised May to trigger Article 50.

Ultimately Parliament, as supreme legislator, can choose to do whatever it wants.

[redalways]

They should fundamentally be pushing back against the idea that banker bonuses are in any way linked to generating growth for the economy at large (versus just the bankers themselves).

[Kopstar]

@redalways

They should fundamentally be pushing back against the idea that banker bonuses are in any way linked to generating growth for the economy at large (versus just the bankers themselves).

Maintaining London as the dominant global financial centre will continue to bring in huge revenues for the UK economy. Ensuring that top talent aren’t dissuaded from being here is a big part of that.

[redalways]

Has it dissuaded any top talent from coming here though?

[deneb]

@gasband

I heard that cinemas are opening up for free to broadcast the funeral? First time ever? As in cinemas… Free…

Some are some aren’t. I don’t know about free, but I remember one day when every ticket for every film was £1

[Arminius]

@Bekloppt

I am against monarchy because I believe in democracy and the two are incompatible.

Empirically, the constitutional monarchy form of democracy has at least as good a track record as republican democracy.