thats not really fair is it? an election rightly has a build up, a period of campaigning etc etc
in some ways elections are actually too frequent, it never gives the incumbant enough time to long term plan…scratch that…doesnt give then enough time to medium term plan…
whatever…you know what i mean…
i dont have enough skin in the game to be bothered looking too deeply into it…but like anything in life, shouldnt the PM…your PM…be given a bit more than a month to get things into place…especially given the shit show her mate left her?
either way…asking Klopptomist who hed vote for tomorrow just seems like baiting…
Not really. Klopptomist criticises the Tories while claiming to be one. Apparently, no matter how bad they might be, Labour would be worse. He wants to have his cake and eat it too. Mascot is just asking him to clearly state his position.
That’s not really baiting is it?
but their cant be an election tomorrow? thats my point.
if we can just cut into any point of the cycle and pretend theres going to be an election it misses the whole point of a term in politics? doesnt it?
anyway…i dont want to stick my head above the parapet to far…as far as i understand Truss is a bit of a car crash…just seems a bit much to ask Klopptomist to nail his colours to the mast when shes just one month in and its not even an election campaign…
It was an unrealistic hypothetical in order to get K-mist to actually state his views.
Mascot’s frustration is understandable as this has been going on for quite a while.
I think for most people political affiliation is like supporting a football team. You can criticise TAA, John (where the levelling up), Klopp, transfers, whoever/whatever but you can never support ManU? Sad but there it is.
It shouldn’t be like a football team. You shouldn’t pick the reds or the blues at age 18 and then vote for them every election for the rest of your life irrespective of their policies.
A lot of people start off as young and idealistic and will be more liberal in their views, but perhaps as they get older will lean further toward conservatism. This was certainly the case with me, though the rise of increasingly troubling ideas, policies and individuals on the right has pushed me forcibly back the other way over the last 5 years. I would vote Labour tomorrow though I would not have voted for Corbyn.
People voting Tories or Labour just because their parents did and they always have is one of the biggest problems with the electorate in this country.
I’m not sure that is the case otherwise you wouldn’t have had the collapse of the red wall. Political affiliations are much more fluid than football ones.
I have voted for 3 different parties in the last 3 general elections and regularly vote for a fourth one locally.
I would argue it’s kind of like people who claim they started supporting United because they play attacking football, then switching after seeing Mourinho and Solskjaer.
Politically, if you look at where they belong, the “red wall” should really have been Conservative all this while. I guess where the football analogy does hold up however, is that they will stick with this for a while, before switching again.
The radio presenter James O’Brien coined the term “footballification” to describe how people will blindly defend the indefensible when it comes to their political affiliations.
I’m not sure that is the case for most people. However the likes of Boris Johnson and Liz Truss may well be a Julian Dicks moment for some.
I think it is a fair point but in this case i think it is also fair to point out that the new PM already has a track record from her time in government and has shown very little evidence of being able to get things into place - or a willingness to listen to others.
Me and @Klopptimist have been back and forth if on politics for years, so I hope he wouldn’t think I was baiting.
Obviously, I should have caveated that, as with any question of who you are voting for, ‘mind your own fucking business’ is a perfectly acceptable response!
One of the things I’ve noticed in a lot of people who vote Tory is a real hatred of them personally, a disapproval of their policies, and a total dismay at every leader they put up. And yet, when it comes to it, there is always some excuse to not vote Labour.
The idea they are all as bad as each other is, I think, an idea deliberately propagated to encourage settling for the stays quo.
Having a Labour MP as a reasonably close relative, my whole family are socialists (fair bit of champagne in there it must be said). I’m the black sheep. Just like I’m an anti-theist and so even blacker.
No it isn’t but that doesn’t answer the question. We are discussing football on a politics forum are we not? Seems it at times. Why should anybody support a football team? Geography? Religion? Chance? Politics? Family? Upbringing? Chance, pure chance made me a Liverpool fan. Being to the right comes from disagreeing with Labour policy as a kid. Guess I picked it right then.
Doesn’t mean I support the manager.
So same question to you @Mascot did you support Roy just because he was our manager?
And as a serious answer to your question, I’ll give you the absolute truth. If it’s Truss against Starmer, it would depend on their conduct and manifesto in the run-up. If Starmer were removed and Rayner took over, I’ll vote red now.
Can’t believe @Klopptimist would vote for Rayner! I’m currently politically homeless but hopefully that becomes clearer towards a general election as the parties are forced into setting out more clearly their policy priorities. That being said, if Reeves was Labour leader (not Rayner, sheesh) then that’s where my vote would probably be going if there were a GE tomorrow.
Actually, now I think about it, this forum is the only place I regularly debate politics. My observation would be that Labour supporters tend not to criticise their leaders. Even when Corbyn was in, it seemed most still supported him. Starmer makes Major look animated and yet if there were an election tomorrow, he’d win by default, probably a land slide. Labour would be in power despite their leader.
Pretty sure @Mascot said he left the Labour party after Blair’s war. But doesn’t mean he’d vote Tory at the next election. Did all Labour voters vote for the various leaders at the following elections? Based on the leaders? Or because they hated the Tories? John Smith seemed like a very serious and capable leader, sadly no longer with us. How any sane person could have voted for Ed Miliband (if it’s all about the leader) I’ll never know.
