UK Politics Thread (Part 2)

They won’t ban it, and that’s not on the table. The aim is to get the smoking population from 14% to 5%. Essentially by preventing the tobacco industry recruiting new, young, smokers.

Well, it was the aim. It isn’t now.

They’re all vaping now anyway

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Next problem?

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So It Begins Helms Deep GIF by Giphy QA

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At this point I’m hoping Labour are vetting their candidates thoroughly. No need for an unenforced error, especially if the polling persists until after any election.

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I think it’s now a race to get a general election called while we still all have pensions.

i know its a controversial one,

but you could start by even just halving pensions to those abroad.

yes, they have paid the inputs, but they are no longer circling the money in your system.

theres expats over here collecting money and spending it here…i havent really dug deep but as far as i can see, its like a compulsorary pension fund which once you reach a certain age you can start to claim.

on the face of it, just because you move country doesnt mean you should forgoe your money, but maybe a suttlitie is the unwritten moral contract to at least circulate that money back in your economy.

in Australia we have compuslorary super which is not government run, we pay tax on the way in, but apart from that, the government is at arms length, so makes sense we can take it to whereever we see fit once we are retired…the whole system was designed to relieve the governments need to supply pensions.

supply pensions to people who no longer live in your country just smacks as …a bit off colour.

war pensions aside, that is.

Most state pensions paid to people living overseas are not increased unless they return to the UK. Those pensions that are uprated are because the pensioner lives in a country that has a reciprocal or bilateral agreement with the UK

Personally, I think chopping someone’s pension in half because they have moved overseas to live is unfair.

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yeah, your probably right, but there are many subtilties… i mean, 1 pound in the UK vs 1 pound in thailand as you head into retirement…so you have a situation where there might be significant drain on money circulating in your country, with people just popping ‘home’ from time to time to access things like the NHS etc.

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There is also the fact that many Western countries have state pension plans that look alarmingly like a Ponzi scheme. The baby boomers are drawing out far more than they ever contributed, and most of the pension systems rely on growth to have any hope of sustaining benefits over the next 15 years. So it is not quite pensioners’ money that they are just getting back with a return.

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Speak for yourself. My pension is my business.

Good luck with that…

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My pension is my livelihood and my only income…geez

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Yeah, particularly when corp tax goes up to pay for the current shit show.

haha. Perhaps as a Tory you should be a ‘lifter’ not a ‘leaner’ and have enough investments that you’ve saved outside of relying on any government rules around pensions? Should have worked harder, bud (or more corruptly or just inherited a pile). Come surely all Tories know this by now!

To an extent I agree with this, but people need to be more careful when branding every alternate explanation to events a “conspiracy theory”.

For instance -
WMD’s in Iraq was the Government line both in the UK and in the US. Most people bought into that. Some people were branded “crazy” at the time for questioning that particular “truth”.

Operation Mockingbird was found to be a major provable conspiracy between the Govt and the media. There are White House tapes of JFK discussing it.

Who now in their right mind, actually believes the official version of the JFK assassination in Dallas?

The US Air Force and Navy have in the past twelve months issued official military video and documents detailing UFO activity. ( Although a conspiracy theorist would argue that the videos are fake and the CIA are preparing us for something… and so on.)

Just because somebody has a different interpretation of the world / events does not mean they should automatically be branded a nut. Sometimes there is a grain (or more) of truth in these out-there theories. If they do no harm anyone then they should be allowed to stand and be examined Not deleted or repressed just because certain people do not agree with them.

It would be ridiculous to say every conspiracy theory is wrong. Equally it would be ridiculous to believe anything on that particular website.

I didn’t tell him to delete or repress his post. Simply took a few screenshots of the home page. It’s more than enough to make any rational person doubt anything from that source.

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Millions of people disbelieved the WMD excuse and protested against the Iraq war, myself included. Support was about 50/50 and while we can assume that all opponents didn’t believe in WMDs, it’s possible that there were plenty among the supporters whose support was based on other factors.

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