UK Politics Thread (Part 2)

[Mascot]

@redfanman

Clearly isnt true though given those who stopped voting labour because of Corbyn when he was leader and then the others who have since left because they dont like Starmer.

I left the Labour Party because of Tony Blair.

I think what Dane is experiencing is an ‘anyone but the Tories’ sentiment, which is an entirely reasonable position to take.

[Rambler]

@Mascot

The way it’s going, Labour won’t need a general election to form a government.

To be fair, there might be very few mps left on either side.

Labour MP Conor McGinn has whip suspended over complaint

[redalways]

It seems that they haven’t specified what the complaint was about, but it seems that the party is pretty quick to act on complaints nowadays.

Still, not a good look for Parliament in general.

[Mascot]

@redalways

Still, not a good look for Parliament in general.

There is a general culture in Parliament of toxic sexual entitlement. The Tories are by far the worst, but there are problems in other parties too.

I’ve said it before but if any organisation of 650 people had this many members charged or accused of sexual impropriety, there would be police investigations and it would be closed down.

[Noo_Noo]

I asked the question on here a short time ago of naming one single thing that the conservative government has done in the last 12 years that brought widespread benefit to many people in the UK.

I’ve been trying to think of one myself in that time and failed.

I’m sure there are some but I honestly can’t think of any. I look at our public services, infrastructure, economy, industry etc. and honest come up with nothing. Every single thing appears to have gone backwards.

[Derecho]

The majority of people have realised that having a fun PM like Boris may not be a good idea

[koptician]

@Derecho

The majority of people have realised that having a fun PM like Boris may not be a good idea

You would bloody well hope so

[Noo_Noo]

I’ll stick this in here as well.

Independence one of three viable options for Wales, say experts

[Noo_Noo]

I think you need to look further and deeper than that.

Even with Cameron at the helm I can’t think of anything he achieved other than feathering the nest of Tory donors, private investors etc.

[Dane]

@Mascot

@Dane

Only an analogy before someone finds offence.
But basically they’d follow any cunt in charge of their party.

It’s a incredibly harsh analogy, stemming from the ‘they are all as bad as each other’ bullshit that the Tories would love everyone to believe.

But it comes down to this. We live in a country that has a binary electoral choice, and that’s going to be the case until we can get a voting system that isn’t fucking insane. Do you want Labour in power or the Tories. Keir Starmer or Rishi Sunak? That’s the choice, and it’s stupid to pretend it’s any different.

You might not like Starmer, but the only opinion that matters electorally is do you like him more than Sunak? Do you prefer Labour in Government or the Tories.

Personally I don’t mind Starmer. If I were criticising him I’d say his natural instinct for caution and pragmatism is going to hold him back, and what’s needed now is boldness and ambition.

But the characterisation of him as a Tory is sheep’s clothing is absurd, propogated by his opponents and those in the party who label anyone to the right of Lenin as a Tory. Ideological purity does not win Labour elections. Christ, we should have learned that over the last decade. They have to compromise and win over people the Daily Mail have gaslit into metaphorically punching themselves in the face.

I neither like nor dislike Starmer, or Sunak for that matter.

I clearly don’t follow politics as closely as you, but from what I’ve seen over my many adult years, there’s not one lot any better than the other.

I’ve seen the bones of many pre-election manifesto’s from both sides, where all too often promises made were never delivered.

I’d assume most people cast votes based on lobbying, so when assurances dont materialise then I view that as downright deceit.

You never ever see a politician directly answer a question put to them either.

Those behaviours make all of them untrustworthy in my eyes.

There are obviously a section of the population who will vote Tory/Labour/SNP etc regardless of who is in charge, or what their promises/assurances have been.

[Dane]

@cynicaloldgit

@Dane

there’s not one lot any better than the other.

I hear this so often and find it impossible to understand.

Do people actually believe that Labour wouldn’t be any better than the current government?

At this moment in time, absolutely yes they’d do a better job…
But history has shown, they’ll renege on promises and within 6 months half the country will be asking your question in reverse.

[Magnus]

Arguably they are Celtic Britons, while the English are Germani of the Angles, Saxon and Jute tribes. So the Welsh are arguably the real “British” , pushed back into Wales and Cornwall, unlike the English Germani invaders, such as they are
It’s funny when you go back in time.

[Mascot]

@Noo_Noo

I think you need to look further and deeper than that.

Even with Cameron at the helm I can’t think of anything he achieved other than feathering the nest of Tory donors, private investors etc.

Legalising gay marriage? Although it’s a stretch to say that wouldn’t have happened under Labour, it was the Tories that brought it in.

[Noo_Noo]

Good one.

[PaulRoJo]

Making pig on a spit fashionable again?

[koptician]

Whoring ourselves out

UK to downgrade commitment to human rights for close diplomatic ties

[redalways]

Ministers to hold emergency Cobra meeting amid wave of strikes

Interestingly, this article doesn’t talk about the reports that the Grauniad and the Daily Heil have about serving soldiers (reported in the former) and the former head of the army (the latter) saying that the military should not be used to break strikes: Cobra meeting to discuss plans for military staff to cover striking workers | Military | The Guardian

[Dane]

A postie earns a shit load more than a private soldier earns.
So does a rail worker.

Why the fuck should the Army fill in while these lot strike?

[RedWhippet]

@Dane

A postie earns a shit load more than a private soldier earns.

Where do you get that from? The basic pay is roughly the same but a soldier will get a lot of extra benefits in terms of cheap accommodation, food and pensions. Hardly the life of Riley but they aren’t that badly off. It’s married servicemen who tend to suffer more.

[Dane]

@RedWhippet

@Dane

A postie earns a shit load more than a private soldier earns.

Where do you get that from? The basic pay is roughly the same but a soldier will get a lot of extra benefits in terms of cheap accommodation, food and pensions. Hardly the life of Riley but they aren’t that badly off. It’s married servicemen who tend to suffer more.

Having lived as a single and married soldier, I’m well aware of the “extra benefits”.
And as you say, hardly the life of riley.

Imagine the uproar from your average civilian if they were accommodated in a barrack block and told what time they had to eat?

Damn right it should be cheap.