If JK had just fucking listened to me about getting Lucas back in Jan 2022 to shore things up, we’d be basking in the afterglow of the greatest season ever.
Fact.
What he said was disgusting, not need for the backdrop just listen. Well at leat Torygraph readers will be happy!
Now your just zig-zagging.
Sunak’s latest proclamations are an admission of defeat. A response to the multiple crises engulfing the country cannot be ‘we’re going to cross our fingers and it will all get better’.
Just call a fucking election and get it over with.
Now I know why you’re so keen on getting Labour back in.
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It’s the best thing and I have personally rather big issues with people who would refuse even civil service ! In Norway we really, really look down on such people. Imo, they should serve prison time for severe break of the Social Contract (and in Norway you certainly would if you flat out refuse civil defence if you are called up, not that I have heard of anyone that has refused in recent years, we don’t call up a large segment of the population these days). Reading some of the responses here have been mind boogling to me and I can’t fathom how certain people think.
Without national service Russia would have paraded down Kyiv long ago. Without Civil Defence in Ukraine, people who won’t fight because they won’t use violence for philosophical or religious reasons, without those people , losses would have been staggeringly higher among civilians and military.
It’s about giving something back to society. It is a basic requirement like taxes and people who refuse it are worthy of little respect.
In the US and UK, they are lucky. Professional armies, no conscription, no real threat of invasion because of watery borders, so they can have these phony philosophical discussions of “choice” and “it is better for my life personally if I don’t serve” (it’s about the Collective and the safety of the state and your fellow citizens, not you), no such luxery in countries without fully professional armies. But in other countries it is a basic requirement of being a citizen. It is the least you can do. If you are called up, then you serve in in civil defence or the armed forces. A basic citizen requirement. The most important. Civil Defence is for all of those who don’t want to touch a gun. Civil Defence is as important. Choose civil defence if you want, but don’t come here and belittle conscription and talk about how it’s a bad thing. One can debate if it’s needed, sure, but to cast it as something bad ? I really struggle with the logic and ethics involved there.
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Did it sound like @Limiescouse 
Why can’t one come here and belittle conscription and talk about it as the bullshit that it is? Just because you had an alright experience does not negate the very real negative experiences that people have with it.
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My experience was not just positive, at times it was incredibly shitty to say the least. I hated much of it, liked parts of it. But it was not about me, it never was. This is something you seemingly do not understand. It is incredibly hard for me, as a citizen of a country which still has Total Defence (partly), to respect what you just said.
And to even dare call it bullshit ? Now I almost have to question if you have followed the Ukraine war thread at all. You seem to read it. You can’t possible have digested much of it though. Using your logic and ethics, there would be no Ukraine by now. It would have collapsed long ago.
No one expects or demands everyone to fight anyway in the West. There is a reason why countries have Civil Defence, because those who don’t want anything to do with the armer forces should ideally not be forced to do so. So it’s not as if anyone has an excuse in the Western democracies not to serve in a Civil Defence function if you are called up. Civil Defence is a crucial part of Total Defence.
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That is the choice you made. I’m not in favour of taking the choice away from others.
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It’s a duty to your fellow citizens, not a choice. This is something you just don’t understand. I find your ethics questionable now. I would rather stop talking with you before we get really unfriendly.
Let’s take a break. You have really pissed me off and I have problems respecting your ethics at the moment.
I find your ethics of believing you get to decide how other people spend significant amounts of their lives distasteful, but I’m not melodramatically getting pissed off.
It’s ridiculous that such a thing even upsets you, the idea that others might want autonomy over their own lives and not waste valuable time in their lives?
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I’m sure national service was 2 years back in the day.
Imagine the amount of protesting they’d have to miss these days if NS was still a thing
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I cannot tell if you’re being serious or being a facetious little troll… Help me out here?
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protestors would glue themselves to tanks in protest! 
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Hah ha ha. Look at the silly kids, fighting to protect their future that the older generation are destroying.
Along the same lines (any excuse to post it)
https://mobile.twitter.com/OFalafel/status/1176557758344093696
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That’s pretty good. He took it well too.
Farage gets a few of those. He’s one of these people that’s so easy to take the piss out of. Such a dork that’s been given far too much leash and far more than his 15 minutes.
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