UK Politics Thread (Part 2)

I am quite glad that mens and woman’s toilets are seperate.

My first job I worked at a fast food place at a woman’s service station. The woman’s toilets were fucking disgusting much worse than the mens !!

Using woman’s toilets must rank as one of the worst aspects of being transgendered.

I worked at an office with unisex toilets. I think it actually has the effect of moderating the behaviour of both sexes.

One guy who started working there made a comment about the sanitary disposal bags. He hadn’t realised that toilets are only meant to have human waste and soft paper tissue flushed down them. I have no idea what he had been flushing down the toilets at home but apparently he had his local plumber on speed dial.

£4,175 for a stack of planks might seem excessive until you realise how much the two short planks behind it cost the country.

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Genuinely curious to know.
First bold - Is that an excuse?
Second bold - Is that factual

Odd how people claim that genuine causes are excuses?

It’s almost as though only things that comport with one’s prior beliefs are worthy reasons, and the rest are excuses…

It was an impression based on what I read before, hence the disclaimer of “if I’m not wrong”.

But since you asked, I looked it up:

You told him to be cautious of interpreting numbers by then asking how many of them had themselves been sexually abused.
That came across as an excuse for their crimes, if indeed they had themselves been subjected to similar.
Nothing to do with prior beliefs.

That’s fair enough.

It comes across as an excuse if your prior beliefs include that there is a systemic problem with individuals claiming to be transsexual in order to commit sexual violence.

It comes across as a possible reason if you’re coming to it with no prior beliefs of the prevalence of such, since it may well be an explanatory factor.

Considering I caveated it with the declaration that my impression of the situation might be wrong (even though now that I’ve actually poked around with it, it seems to superficially be true), it’s interesting how you jump on it as an excuse.

And just to be clear, I strongly doubt it has “nothing to do with prior beliefs”. Human psychology does not work that way, and I am abundantly aware that even my posting of that comes from my own prior beliefs that that’s a possible reason, given what I am aware of/what my impressions of the situation are.

If you think it has “nothing to do with prior beliefs”, might I suggest you check your arrogance.

Well first off, my arrogance levels are fine, and it’s generally only directed towards worthy recipients.
Perhaps I can suggest you check your frequent tendency to be supercilious

Secondly, we are all individuals from all kinds of different upbringings.

My father was a cold individual who gave me very little affection and none of his time, beating me more than once as a child. We haven’t spoken in years.
I never laid a finger on my lad, spent thousands of hours with him as a kid, he’s 29 now, we are best mates.

Had I treated him like my father treated me, and said to him well that’s how my dad was with me, that is an excuse for being a bad dad.

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Yes but it’s never a parent’s fault that they’re shit. It’s their upbringing, their school, society, government etc etc etc. You’re just lucky, what about all the raping, murdering, beating, thieving bastards who were never taught any better? Just because you didn’t imitate your father doesn’t mean there aren’t millions who don’t have your common sense / intelligence. Personally I think you shouldn’t mention is as it sounds like boasting.

“Look at me, I was smart enough to realise my dad wasn’t very good and decided to do better for my child” Just rank bravado.

Sorry, massive bug-bear of mine.

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Not comparing a cold father with a sex abuser, but the excuse concept.

I have been trying to find the origin for the figures. A couple of interesting finds.

The figures @Dane quoted above are from this parliamentary discussion (specifically under section 2) :
https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/

I can’t find the original paper that they are referring to so I’m not sure how their figures are derived. The inference appears to be that male prisoners are using claims to be transgender to be transferred to a female prison. That would appear to be a failure of procedure somewhere but at the same time there seems to be an indication that the data is incomplete. It’s difficult to see how that fits into things without reference to Hansard.

This seems to indicate that acts of sexual violence are lower amongst trans teens that their cisgendered peers:

That does say that they have a limited pool of trans-girls so it does limit the results. Given the small number of trans-gender people in society it’s always going to be a problem to find sufficient data.

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I wasn’t comparing them. The argument that somebody knows no better because that’s how they were brought up might have held water in the dim and distant past but not today. There is no excuse.

But there will be. Lots of them.

Might be as many as 500,000 in the UK according to this so hardly a small number…although personally I find that really hard to believe as I have never personally known one. I have previously asked among a group of friends and my 30 something daughter and neither have any of them.

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Never knew about this, lay off my steaks! Lunatics running councils, who knew?

Less than 1% of the population although I think the figures quoted from the last census were half that.

Actually, 500,000 is high for a population wide study but the one I linked to above was about 4,000 in total. 1% of that isn’t going to give you a particularly high certainty rate.

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Which is the reason this comes up. When government policy and council building design is being tailored to the tiny minority, questions must be asked.

More like lunatics running PETA.

I have a T-shirt.

People Eating Tasty Animals on the front

All god’s great creatures look best next to mash potatoes and gravy. On the back

Had so many arguments when wearing it :joy::joy::joy: