Says rather a lot about you too. 
to do what with him, exactly? Great, lock him up. average inmate cost in this country is $120,000/yr. who pays for 50+ years of his life sentence to sit in a prison and rot. The taxpayers?
For people like him, rather roll him up in chicken wire fencing and drop off the side of a boat for the fish. job done, ~$6mil saved will build lots of community parks for kids in the area. People who deserve that money to be spent on them. Not a waste of skin like that kid.
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Yeah, conscious with an IQ above that of our well known house brick.
I didnāt say it wasnāt their fault - there is blame enough to go around. As a society we have a mechanism to deal with the consequences of a broader failure. Purely binary (to jive with the bizarre meta exchange going on) view points are not going to solve/prevent most of the murders (and crimes) that happen.
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15 years old when he committed that crime (So not possible to execute him anyway, right) and with a traumatic family background, history of abuse and normalisation of violence.
You might feel comfortable ending a childās life in those circumstances. I wouldnāt.
It goes back to what @tesh said, and was mocked for. There are very few people just born evil, for want of a better word.
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Team Matt Hancock. Now off to shower in bleach.
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How it got there is a moot point. He raped a woman, slit her throat and tried to burn the house down on top of her. Stole the husbandās cigars and his car, drove around town showing off to his friends.
This is a perfect example of where the system has failed society in favor of the criminal. That heās out on the streets on parole is appalling. System is showing us its broken, and needs massive reforms.
We cry about our taxation levels, we cry about cost of living and how unaffordable the world is becoming. Well, thereās lot of low-lying fruit if you really take a look at it.
What purpose does that man serve his society nowadays, other than being a convicted murderer and a leech on the government for 20 yearsā¦ ZERO
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A former Tory supporter, Rod has gone up in my estimation now.
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Why is it a moot point? Surely the factors leading to why someone committed an act is relevant?
Otherwise what makes it difference from pure vengeance?
Why? The damage is done, shall we compound it by causing more damage? Or is there something to be served by rehabilitation?
Tax the rich?
Thatās on his society for making it so. Society could be making good use of the time spent in incarceration to rehabilitate prisoners effectively, but the blinkered desire for revenge will always hinder such efforts.
Not to mention that the emphasis will always be on the one case in which rehabilitation hasnāt been sufficient, while completely neglecting the many other cases in which it has been successful.
You can have two things: something beneficial to society, or vengeance. They tend to work at odds with each other.
While I personally believe that criminal justice should serve to benefit society, I can understand those who believe that it should serve to exact vengeance, even though I disagree. But I cannot work with people who refuse to acknowledge which aim they desire/prefer.
did you read the article, or skip over it. Read it and see if you still have the same views.
I read it.
Feel free to correct me if Iām wrong, but most of what @Mascot said is factually correct is it not? That he comes from a background with a history of abuse and normalisation of violence?
Is it also not true that he was given that sentence by a jury, otherwise, how does it work in Canada?
Is it not also true that the parole board acknowledged the role of inter-generational trauma?
Is it not also true that he has displayed progress in his rehabilitation?
Is it not also true that his parole comes with strict conditions designed to minimise the possibility of his recidivism?
Is it not also true that the report acknowledges the role of the prison sub-culture in hindering his rehabilitation?
From all of these, I donāt see how it doesnāt serve societyās benefit that he is released on day parole to continue re-integrating into society, especially with gainful employment
once youāve committed a murder, taken the life of another person as suchā¦ thereās no turning back from that. Weāre not talking about drunk-driving and killing someone in an MVA someone due to a grievous lack of judgement here. What is the purpose of existence for someone who rapes and murders someone in their own home and then tries to burn it down? What good is that person going to serve society, from incarceration? stamp license plates, at a cost of $120,000/yr?
how is it causing more damage? Itās literally a form of natural selection. Thereās all these examples from the far left of how we need to be more āin tuneā with nature. Yet when it comes down to situations where one of the wolves has attacked one of its own, where in nature the alpha would normally deal with that stray wolf for some reasons we humans think we should try to rehabilitate that animal?
The rich write the tax laws, not really new stuff here. The rich donāt pay taxes.
the old saying goes, āyou can lead a horse to water, but you canāt make it drinkā
If an individual chooses to go against the laws of society, or that path has been chosen for them by circumstanceā¦ weāll Iām not so sure that can be blamed at society in general. Thereās a Nature vs Nurture category involved in the development of humanās psyche and some behaviors are innate.
the downward spiral of morality and values on display in the last 50yrs are very indicative of our trajectory.
I always find it bizarre that society operates like like this. I presume itās the case in the US as well as the UK.
FACKING SCUM! THROW AWAY THE FACKING KEY. JAIL TOO FACKING GOOD FOR THEM. BRING BACK THE ROPE. HANG THE FACKING BASTARDS.
What about this one? Killed a family through negligent driving?
Driving a car was he? Yeah, 12 month conditional ban and six points on his licence. Seems reasonable. Sniff.
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For at least the last forty years weāve been in the grip of a rabid neo-liberal economic project that has widened socio-economic divisions, generated escalating demand for an out of reach lifestyle, fostered a culture of extreme selfishness, reduced access to culture and community, and destroyed public services.
And you wonder why our moral values seems to be in the toilet?
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I agree. Look up the case of Travis Selje who was a 17yo Whitecaps prospect here. The defendant had no prior history of epilepsy.
According to court documents, however, Rituraj Kaur Grewal, age 26, has 10 traffic violations, nine of which were deemed by the courts to be ānot disputed.ā
Rituraj Kaur Grewal was ticketed on June 29, 2013 in Surrey for speeding and failing to display a new driver sign. On Sept. 3, 2013 she was ticketed for speeding in Vancouver, and found guilty. And on Nov. 3, 2015 she was ticketed in Surrey for failing to produce a drivers licence or insurance, and driving a motor vehicle without due care and attention.
On Nov. 19, 2015 she was ticketed in Surrey for āfailing to yield after stop.ā On Jan. 7, 2016 she was ticketed in Langley for failing to wear a seatbelt and on Nov. 19, 2016 she was ticketed in Langley for using an electronic device while driving.
On Dec. 16, 2016 she was ticketed for speeding, as well as driving without reasonable consideration.
Thereās no turning back from that in what sense? Iām confused by what youāre trying to say here, are you implying that the act of murdering someone makes them therefore more prone to murdering someone else in future?
Again, the question is, what are taxpayers paying that $120k a year for? Is it to sequester that person away from society for its protection? Is it to do that and rehabilitate that individual? Or is it to serve some form of punitive measure?
You keep harping on that cost, but that cost serves more than just that individual.
Who gives a shit?
Thatās if you treat that person as no longer a member of society. I disagree with that view.
There are many things which are ostensibly present in nature yet we donāt do those. Cannibalism for example.
So youāre arguing that if the rich suddenly decide that all murderers should go free instantly thatās fine?
And do you have any particular evidence for this or is this just your feeling?
What is this downward spiral you speak of?
Yes
Yes
clearly, you donāt
that person is locked in a cell for their crime, for the protection of the rest of society. youāre missing the point here. weāll disagree here.
well thatās awkward List of incidents of cannibalism - Wikipedia.
not at all what I said
Psychology 200 classes should provide the answers to this.
and finally
Why would you vote for a bumbling fool whoās a cock?
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And what is that point? Youāre missing the point that society created this individual, which you refuse to acknowledge.
I missed where this was legal and condoned by society, as you were suggesting that should be done with your worshipping of completely irrelevant parallels to nature.
Thatās the implication of what you said. The rich write the tax rules so then taxing the rich can be dismissed. Therefore if they decide that murderers should all face no consequences that should be fine?
Funnily enough, they donāt. Nor does most of the evidence suggest that thereās a strong genetic tendency towards violence.