UK Politics Thread (Part 2)

Even his short stint as foreign secretary or the twat stood Infront of a big red bus he had nothing to do with allegedly / conveniently.

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I wouldn’t support the death penalty under any circumstances, largely because it is hard to draw the line between what is a capital offence and what is custodial.

Once that death penalty is on the books, your only a shift right from what constitutes getting the chair expanding.

Put it this way. Would you want Priti Patel or Suella Braverman to have the death penalty in their back pocket.

I’d rather start from the basis that the state does not have the right to terminate a citizens life. Any circumstances. Full stop.

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As you wish, pass me the big red button.

but it’s okay for Jeffrey Dahmer to butcher his victims and stick them in his freezer, right?

If a dog viciously attacks you, we put that dog down. It’s a threat.

But if a young man breaks into your home, rapes then murders your wife and daughter… just put them in prison for 20 years? Society pays £1,000,000 (average cost 50k/yr) to house that murderer for that term, then say at age of 37 he’s released into society… you’re okay with this? What if he moves into your neighborhood?

Totally agree.

That’s because prison is a particularly shit form of rehabilitation. It’s why it’s called the university of crime.

That’s incorrect.

The jury would decide if the accused is guilty or not guilty, and the judge or panel of judges pass sentence.

On what grounds? They were both in their late twenties :rofl:

THAT’s incorrect. thanks for playing.

https://www.justice.gov/usao/justice-101/sentencing

Death Penalty

The death penalty can only be imposed on defendants convicted of capital offenses – such as murder, treason, genocide, or the killing or kidnapping of a Congressman, the President, or a Supreme Court justice. Unlike other punishments, a jury must decide whether to impose the death penalty. Many states have stopped using the death penalty, though the federal government may still use it. The Supreme Court has found that imposing the death penalty on those under age 18 at the time of the crime or the intellectually disabled to be “cruel and unusual punishment” under the United States Constitution.

Sorry, I didn’t realise you were talking about America. I thought you were talking about sentence in the UK and how it would work hypothetically - that’s what you post suggested to me.

America, which of course never executes any innocent people.

In the UK jury’s have no influence of sentencing.

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In this world there are few/vanishingly low number of serial killers. Even that number is likely inflated by definition. The vast majority of individuals that kill multiple times are a product of a failure of society and are an indictment of those society’s shortcomings…

Johnson was a cunt as a student, cunt as a journalist, cunt as a mayor, cunt as a foreign sec.

Like many others, I was shocked he turned out to be a cunt of a PM.

there’s being a cunt and appearing on TV telling everybody to stay separate then having a fucking party afterwards.

I’d advocate for pushing him of Beechy Head and @Mascot would defend him. Now that’s irony.

As brutal as it sounds, it’s irrelevant what I think of it.

Presumably, as a result of this crime I’m in an emotionally compromised condition and too unstable to make any kind of objective judgement about what kind of justice this man would receive. If I’m calling for the death penalty at this point, the only purpose of that would be revenge, and no matter how heinous the crime the state cannot facilitate justice on that basis. It has to be what the state considers to be the appropriate sentence for the crime.

I’m pretty sure the crime as you’ve set it out would carry the maximum permitted sentence.

As for moving to my neighbourhood, I would expect there would be measures to prevent that, conditions of parole, that kind of thing.

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there hasn’t been a death sentence in the UK since the 60’s. I don’t know how the sentencing worked there when it came to capital punishment, my apologies for inferring that.

Not their fault? Acceptable excuses? The poor lambs, they were always doomed to murder by everything in their lives that disadvantaged them.

breaking bad bullshit GIF

I wouldn’t want him killed. Jesus Christ. I just think anyone who voted for him in 2019 is lying to us and themselves if they claim they didn’t know what kind of man he was.

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as an example. READ it.

I don’t claim that, never have and I’d pay to see him hung, drawn and quartered.

I voted for a cunt, says everything you need to know about my opinion of your mob :rofl:

Okay @Semmy I do concede that some people do have a penchant for violence. Just not necessarily the ones we were talking about…

I WILL!

Look. Given all his psyche assessments suggest a high likelihood of reoffending, it’s clearly a bonkers decision.

Is the solution to that the death penalty? No. The solution is to listen to the professionals saying ‘for fucks sake don’t release this man’