If you want a reason why Labour do well to keep their cards close to their chest, policy wise, this is it.
Been a Labour policy for yonks.
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It is both breeds and owners, to suggest that breed plays no part is totally disingenuous and delusional. Poodles and Dachsunds are prone to anxiety and reactivity but theyāre not killing people every other month.
All bully breed owners have a sweet, perfect family companian apprently.
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Iāve never really understood dogs. Fucking horrible things. I rarely get into confrontations with strangers, but whenever I have itās been over a dog. Usually some bounding, slavering beast scaring the shit out of one of my kids as their owner screams āheās perfectly friendlyā from 100 meters behind the action and any semblance of control.
We are never going to get to my ideal, which is that we eradicate the scourge of dogs from society. I just have to find peace with the idea that a huge majority of my fellow humans donāt consider their lives complete unless they are sharing with an animal.
But at the very least I would appreciate.
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an absolute ban on the sale and breeding of dangerous breeds.
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all dogs on leads at all times, except in specially designated off lead areas.
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an absolute prohibition on dogs in childrenās play areas and parks and recreation spaces.
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Also, people who let their dogs lick their faces. What the fuck is that about?
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I really do think a lot of the problems that people associate with breeds are actually owner problems as well. Arseholes are attracted to the powerfully built dog with the massive bite strength - but on the other hand, when the daschunds are out of control the consequences are nowhere near as significant.
Our last dog was an absolute sweetheart, incredibly gentle and careful with kids, fiercely protective though so we had to be careful. We could never have her around other dogs. She had been mauled as a puppy by what the local Humane Society strongly suspected was a dog being trained for fighting in the house. She just did not understand how to play, interpreted everything as aggression and escalated - which is not good in a 85 lb dog. The number of times I was walking her and some moronic owner let their little dog offleash bound up to us yappingā¦
So, some part breed, some part indvidual dog, but in the end it is the owner. If you want a big powerful dog, you face a higher burden of responsibility.
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I didnāt suggest breeds play no part. I said the problem is the owners of these powerful breeds - hence suggesting licensing dog owners. IMO the owners are the bigger problem, not the dogs themselves.
As for All bully breed owners have a sweet, perfect family companian apprently. thatās not me, or a lot of other big dog owners. Our boyās never off lead in public places, we donāt let strangers come and say hello to him - everything is on our terms - and the main reason for that is his own safety as much as anyone elseās.
Iād rather eradicate cats and a lot of humans off first 
Mascot evidently has no soul.
Absolutely, thereās some selection bias at play. One problem here is the fact that drug dealers and their ilk have started breeding XL bullys for profit, and you know these dogs are not getting adequate socialisation at a young age. Even a āgoodā owner can struggle to maintain control over a poorly bred dog.
The bite force is enough of a problem on its own to merit restrictions and regulation, and that very much is breed specific. A similar demographic here will also have Frenchies, and no matter how poorly trained they are they do not pose a serious threat. There are other issues regarding the breeding and ownership of those, of course.
I would include a ban on refering to pet dogs as babies and those stupid twats that insist on buying clothing for their dogs
This was happening back in the nineties though , and wasnāt it part of the reason the Dangerous Dogs Act was passed ? How come the problem is still the same today ?
(Iām guessing there was enough loopholes in the legislation to enable people to circumvent the law.)
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Yep, we had a similar problem here, leading to the breed being legislated against. Not a fan of the law, but it solved the problem. The law governs ādangerous dogsā, but some breeds are in by default, so pitbulls were de facto outlawed. Our girl was not in fact a pit bull (boxer/shepherd/maybe Rottweiler/maybe pitbull), but certainly looked like one and had comparable jaw strength. I was actually confronted by two police officers for walking her without a muzzle, as they thought she could be deemed dangerous. She managed to charm her way out of that with her deep love of human attention.
But she was very much an example of inadequate socialization, exactly as you say. By the time we got her at four months, the damage was done. We could teach her to obey and ignore, but normal dog behaviour would produce a fear-aggression response in her, and there was no way that wasnāt dangerous. We never had an incident when she was an adult, but it was a concern most of her life.
Weāve always had dogs but have stayed away from pure breeds.Once told a mongrel bitch is the safest dog to get so have kept to that and have had no issues with the past 3 dogs weāve had,although the collie/springer mutt we have now is a bit too weary of strangers so we are a little more careful just in case.I have always thought the above reason was the cause.Runt of the litter
as well as last one left to be picked.
Itās a funny thing really. Aside from certain topics, weāre actually twins.
Maybe all of the above?
Ours was not a breeding issue - she was a mix, and it was always a guess as to what. She had been left on the steps of the Humane Society with her back ripped open by a dog bite. As a four month old puppy of about 5 kg, she had a scar a little bigger than a Ā£ coin on her back, and they told us she would probably grow to about triple the size. By the time she was 40 kg the scar was barely noticeable.
Local police were fairly sure she had been in a household that was raising dogs for fighting, and selling off some of the dogs to the kind of scum around that scene.
Same lack of soul
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This thread has gone to dogs 
A bit like UK politics in general, then.
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