UK Politics Thread (Part 2)

As in they were already angling to defect? Doesn’t sound like it from the quotes in the article

If you defect to the Tories from Labour it suggests that you weren’t really committed to Labour in the first place. A defection to the Greens or Liberals is more understandable.

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Regular as clockwork, another easy vote winner:

It can’t be, it’s 100% true and unbiased. It’s in the Guardian :innocent:

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The thing that gets me with this isn’t the corruption so much as the sheer stupidity of these Tory grifters. It would have taken seconds to do a quick search for this company and realise that it was a scam.

The question is, if a couple of investigative journalists can haul them in so easily how many of these have been taken in by genuinely bad actors? I suspect that a fair few ministers are controlled by kompromat.

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Another gimmick morelike. You can’t seriously believe that wavering voters would be convinced to vote Tory because of nonsense like this.

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What’s nonsense about putting scumbags in orange overalls (so everybody can see them and laugh at them) while they clean up their shit?

Russia and China are plotting the end of the world, can’t do anything about that so we’ll do loads of really easy things that grab the headlines and play to public opinion. You can knock it all you want but watch those opinion figures change from now till Christmas. They’ll do nothing round the coronation but the week after there will be another government project hitting the headlines.

I’m waiting for HS2 to be scrapped saving billions that they’ll promise to the NHS. I think there are about 8 people on the planet who think it’s a good idea in the first place.

Speak for yourself.

I was referring to the morons who keep voting Conservative and believed the lies and voted for Brexit.

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I think we’re all going to be ok guys as nitrous oxide is being banned…

You’re having a laugh.

So I’m only 2/3 of a moron? Lucky me :slight_smile:

Does anyone have a good source for dog attack statistics in the UK?

There is literally a report of a serious dog attack every other day in the media, and it is always the same breed. A dog in my local park was killed by 3 of them last week.

The breeding and owning of certain breeds surely needs regulating, it is becoming a serious concern for other dog owners in busy places, as well as the scores of people seemingly getting killed or maimed at home.

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Yes, I’ll dig it out. I have a council by council (those who responded) list of dog attacks / complaints for 3 years. As you do.

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I’d be ok with some regulation of all dog owners irrespective of breed to be honest. Not only for managing a dogs personality but also the welfare of the animal itself.

Problem then is it creates complexity with enforcement.

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I’ve said loads of times to the wife when we visit family in Speke, the amount that are basically just status dogs is incredible.
Not trendy enough for the meffs to be seen walking a fucking spaniel

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Not really going to move the needle. It’s an old policy which Labour have already announced plans on. Furthermore, opens up the government to attacks on its spending cuts/ lack of investment.

Again, probably not going to move the needle. First, HS2 I think has been put on hold this month due to rising costs and the chancellor wanting to make his budget “balance” - so the money has probably already been somewhat accounted for within that.

Secondly, NHS is very much Labour’s territory for an election, Sunak could announce more spending but again it opens him up to more attacks from the opposition than it closes down.

A big problem for Sunak is that he is less popular than Starmer, and the Conservatives are deeply disliked by the electorate at the moment. It’s going to be difficult to completely close that 15-20 point gap and is heavily reliant on the economy/ inflation scenario improving and people forgiving the government for various actions to do that.

A further problem for Sunak is that the electoral patterns are lining up in Labour’s favour. A lot of the new voters in 2017 for Labour didn’t turn out in 2019. Polling apparently suggests they are coming back into the fold as they desperately want the government out.

Of the 2019 new Conservative vote, many are no longer voting. Of those that do, a substantial chunk have indicated they would now vote labour or Lib Dem rather than Conservative.

Then there is the change in SNP leadership in Scotland which could see some votes move to Labour there.

It’s not breeds, but owners that are the problem. All dog owners should be made to carry licenses.

We have a 45kg American Bulldog - he’s strong, powerful, protective, but we always have him under full control, taking on the responsibility of owning such a dog seriously. There are too many idiots now with these types of dogs that have bought them for shits and giggles cos it makes them look hard or whatever - but then they don’t know how to control them.

We have the biggest dog in our street - and he’s the least aggressive, best trained of the lot. Poodle a few doors down goes mental when he sees our boy, pulling lead, barking etc. Same with the dashounds on our street. Re concerns from other dog owners - as someone with one of these “problem dogs”, I actually find ‘s every other dogs’ the problem - people let their dogs off lead, run around freely, and just shout “he’s friendly” as they charge around causing chaos. Dogs don’t need to be running free!

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Funny - Spaniel’s are the dogs that I’ve had most problems with when out walking my dog. My kneecap dislocated due to one charging at me and my dog - my dog spun around, knee popped. Owner of said spaniel no where to be see. I was left unable to walk for 3 months. That’s irresponsible ownership

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