All true.
But it doesn’t change the fact that up and down the country voters Labour need hate Jeremy Corbyn with a passion.
It was a smear job, but it was successful. He lost. He now needs to consider whether he wants to continue this intransigence or put the Labour Party first. As I said, there are countless people in our society who will not get through another five years of Tory Government. Their needs are more important than Corbyn’s wounded pride.
Oh and by the way, fucking looming climate crisis. Global alliance of scientists pleading with world leaders to take a final chance to do something, anything, to avert an apocalypse.
Another reason we don’t have five years to waste on a Fossil Fuelled Tory Party.
Totally agree with all that. I’ve known a guy for a few years now , probably one of the most clued up and intelligent people I’ve met online. Massive Corbyn supporter and (ex) Labour activist who now will probably not vote Labour because his messiah has been jettisoned , and this was probably true even before what just happened.
Even worse , as far as I am concerned at least , was his reaction to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. He was still spouting ,up until the last time we spoke, the far left (Corbynist) line that somehow NATO was equally to blame for the invasion and , of course , in the process amplifying Kremlin propaganda.
I had a lot of time for Corbyn before he became Labour leader but like you I think he should just disappear , or at least keep it buttoned. He’s an absolute liability to any chance of getting these cunts out of office. But still I can honestly say I’m still glad it was Johnson who was PM and not Corbyn when Russia invaded.
I genuinely worry about you if Rishi turns this round and wins. You and I arguing and ranting on here makes exactly the same difference as our squad selections and musings on the potential win or loss of the next game. Absolutely fuck diddly all. Enjoy the ride mate, politics isn’t worth getting stressed over. Neither is the environment sadly as once a “leading scientist” says it’s already too late (what a fucking bellend) it’s hello coal and fuck jonny polar bear.
Absolutely.
Christ almighty mate, do some reading.
Polar bears are fucked. We’re not trying to save polar bears. We’re trying to save ourselves.
Saw that video years ago, scared me for life. Think the bloke came off worse though.
… and I bet they all call him Keith.
The one thing about left wing groups that always pisses me off is that they spend most of their time slagging of each other. It’s like the People’s Popular Front of fucking Judea.
Well, the People’s Front of Judea was a piss take of left wing groups. Great to see nothing has changed in forty years.
Thanks @Arminius,
That was an interesting read. I don’t know much about the wildlife out there. I saw a raccoon once in the back garden of my cousin’s house, that’s it. Cute little he fella.
It takes a very particular mentality to reach the view that the Forde report somehow cleared Corbyn, rather than tarred a host of other members of Labour with evidence of other failings.
Not that it matters, since I can’t vote in the UK anyway, but from what I’ve seen of Starmer so far, he seems alright to me. Particularly remember some Brexit debates in parliament where he came across as one of the most competent ones.
I guess some people find his style boring, but one would think you’ve had enough ‘entertainment’ in politics in the last couple of years.
Are there any issues that people have with his concrete policies or where does the animosity come from?
Starmer, to me, feels like Blair when he got elected, minus a lot of charisma.
There were plenty in the Labour ranks who missed John Smith, but they were pragmatic enough to vote Blair in, by a landslide, as priority number one was to get a Labour government.
I think that’s what will happen with Starmer, and hopefully he will exceed expectations in office, and get two full terms to implement his agenda.
The one sadness I feel about the Blair years is that with such a massive mandate from the electorate, he didn’t do enough with it, and lost his way over Iraq.
An awful lot of positive stuff was done under him and Brown. I think much of it has been forgotten due to the passing of time, the handling of Iraq and the dismantling of much of it by the Conservative led governments since 2010.
Factional politics.
BBC just reporting NEC have voted 22-12 in favour to ban Corbyn from standing as a Labour candidate at the next election.
If nothing else, Labour is getting the timing right. Contrary to @Klopptimist 's assertions that Labour should be dumping out policy in the middle of the electoral cycle, this is the sort of hard decision they need to take mid-cycle to put it well behind them (assuming the Maoist sections can ever let go…) by the time the writ drops.
The animosity largely comes from bitterness, naivety and lazy assumptions about who he is.
He is seen as someone who got rid of Corbyn, so that obviously counts against him. There is a hell of a lot of sneering about his knighthood, as if this automatically makes him an establishment figure or de facto Tory. It’s assumed that he is going to continue the Tories programme of aggressive deregulation, austerity, privatisation and cronyism. This seems to be based more on a pre-conceived idea of him rather than any specific evidence.
Labour isn’t shouting about Policy from the rooftops because a) the Tories will just nick it, and b) don’t interrupt your enemy while they are shooting themselves in the foot.
But there is enough out there that is much more progressive than generally understood. Especially on the environment. It’s paints a much more radical picture than anything under Blair, Brown or Milliband, and it isn’t that far off Corbyn’s economic programme.
Good summary here A Keir Starmer government might be more radical than you think | Michael Jacobs | The Guardian
Dog poop in the local supermarket, lovely!