When Corbyn was elected, I didn’t know much about him, as a Labour voter, I voted Labour. So, i have never considered myself a massive supporter of him in that sense.
I really could relate what he was saying. I agree he may not have handled the ‘antisemitism’ issue well, but I thought he was cleared. I think he was stitched up by the press and his own party as he was considered too left leaning. They could have just left it and let Corbyn stand as a Labour candidate.
London Labour voters and members are pretty angry at what has happened, even in his constituency. This exclusion by Starmer may not harm Labour overall in the country, but I think it will damage Labour standing in London overall.
I’m actually quite disappointed in Corbyn over this. I’m a long term supporter and have always admired him, but he really needed to fall on his sword here, for the good of the party and the country. He’d have to be seriously myopyic not to see that outside his narrow support base his presence is toxic for the Labour Party.
Starmer had no choice here. He can’t go into the next election with Corbyn standing as a Labour MP - there is a reason why the Tory’s still invoke him whenever they need to land a cheap blow on Labour. Corbyn should have retired gracefully.
Why are you so bloody hostile? I’m right wing, not a tory as I’ve said about 9 billion times. Do you like football? You must be a United fan then. Why pretend otherwise?
It speaks to the dearth of talent in the Tory party. Carrying an actual criminal conviction for breaking lockdown rules should really bar your from being PM, and in normal times the Tories would surely swerved him. I expect Labour to really hammer this in the run up the to the election. You couldn’t say goodbye to your dying relatives, while this cunt was partying. If Labour want to get nasty, they could get very nasty with Sunak.
That’s before we’ve even got started on his tax affairs.
Just because someone has money behind them it doesn’t stop them from being greedy or doing something for status rather than for the common good. I’ve seen nothing from Sunak to make me think he is doing this for a noble cause.
The only positive I would say (and did before the leadership elections) is that he is better than Truss and Johnson in that he is willing to listen sometimes to other voices, and will from time to time u-turn from things he has promised.
Lots of things for me as I disagree with much of his world/ economic view but the following two in particular come to mind.
Eat Out to help out was a really stupid thing to do during a pandemic.
His spending of levelling up funds in his constituency and others belonging to his party while other areas much poorer saw very little of the money or none at all. His gloating in Tunbridge Wells around taking money from poorer areas to spend in areas like theirs.
There are so many oldies in as MPs, why don’t they retire then?
I am disappointed in Labour in the way they have ostracised Corbyn. I just cannot recognise the Labour party today. I don’t know how I can convince myself to vote for Labour, when the election time comes around.
I am also angry the way the UK press have hounded and vilified him. Today, all day, there were reporters following him and camped outside his house. It is horrible. Why can’t they just leave him alone. He is a backbench MP for the last three years.
You bend over backwards to excuse the Tories their failings even after 13 years of Government, and yet you proudly state you’ll be hammering Labour if the country isn’t put right on day one of walking into number ten?
Yes, I know. I don’t like the way he was treated in the media either. But Labour cannot dig their heels in and double down on him.
I’ve done plenty of organising in the Labour Party and got to hear plenty of internal anecdotes. The reports coming back from canvassing over and over again, up and down the country, was Corbyn. Won’t vote for Corbyn. Don’t like Corbyn. Not with Corbyn in charge. Consistently and repeatedly. He was the problem in 2019, and it led to the Tories getting an 80 seat majority.
So here we are. It wasn’t fair and it was totally unjust. But it worked. He damages the Labour Party. So what doesn’t Starmer do? Double down on Corbyn and go to the trenches shouting about the injustice and unfairness of it all? Sacrifice the next election at the altar of Jezza? Or put the party above the cult of the individual, and move on?
At some point you just have to accept you’re beaten.
I don’t disagree with anything you’ve written (sorry for double negative) but like you said in previous post it’s really unfair that the slander continues
Like this. He might have fence sat on Brexit but his manifesto was more progressive and meaningful than any for years. No idea how he would have been dangerous on Ukraine. He was criticising Russian influence in UK politics before most others
But down here, Starmer is not popular. I have tried my best warm to him, but it is not working. I still don’t know what Starmer’s Labour policies are or what he stands for.
Okay, since you are a Labour party member, I am Labour voter, how are you going to convince me to put a cross on my Ballot paper for Labour, because right now, I cannot see myself doing it?
My logic is that if you go to such lengths to excuse or disregard the Tories misdemeanours, whilst also making a big show of getting on Labour’s backs the moment they enter Downing Street. If you gleefully celebrate every poll that suggest Sunak is closing the gap, and by the way Dishy Rishi? Wasn’t that the sobriquet you used to describe the leader of the Tory Party?
My logic is ‘if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…’
I like Poliviere over Trudeau, without question. My issue with him, is his rhetoric towards the PM is just obscenely negative. Almost to the point of condescension. but I can’t support the NDP, because they rode the Lib’s coattails and supported them through all of hte bullshit of the last 6 years.
Because in policy terms Starmer’s Labour are a lot more progressive than it is generally acknowledged. In many cases going beyond what Corbyn and McDonnell offered.
We have to move on from Corbyn. It was lovely thought, but he is now damaging to Labour Party and we all need to put it behind us and focus on what is actually on offer - Starmer or Sunak. It is really not any more complicated than that.
The brutal truth of electoral politics in the Westminster system is that Labour probably doesn’t need your vote. Labour wins districts like Islington by margins of 20k on 35k votes. They can lose HALF their London votes in many of those districts and never break a sweat.
Meanwhile Corbyn weakens them in ridings where they win or lose by 100’s of votes, and every single vote they lose or gain is a material step towards changing an outcome. BoJo didn’t win because Labour could not deliver London.
And I am solidly behind that. It’s an affront to democracy that a party can get absolute power on about 25% of the the public and 40% of the electorate.
Anyone other than the Tory’s should be campaigning for PR because it is an absolute no brainer.
Even something as simple as a transferable vote system (ie ranking your candidates in order of preference) would mean people can vote for the parties they want to vote for, without fearing that they are letting in a party they don’t want.
The argument against it is that it would lead to more coalitions and dialogue and the need to find consensus within parliament to get bills passed. To which I say ‘That’s a drawback? Sign me up’!
The real argument against it is that the system would have even less reason to listen to anywhere outside Greater London. In a federal system that very frequently forgets it is a federal system, that might well be a fatal flaw.
