Repeat a lie often enough and some people will start to believe that it’s a truth.
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It’s plausible enough for an incoming government to blame its predecessors for all the country’s ills but when the ‘new’ government is actually the same one that’s been in power for 13yrs , then that’s stretching it beyond credulity.
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Plato?
Yep. When Labour get in in possibly 2054, everything will be the Tories’ fault for the first 10 years. Rightly so given the huge duration of their stewardship. It’s when governments change regularly and then blame the previous incumbents 4 years later that it takes the piss.
One of the reasons Labour are fairly strong favourites for the next election is that polling indicates that this line is no longer working.
Edit - I see @redalways has already made this point
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Sure as hell isn’t because they have strong leadership, sensible policies, a bloke in charge we can believe in etc etc etc. IF labour manage to lose the next election it will be the greatest fuckup in political history.
Starmer is crap. But he’s still (marginally) better than the Tories.
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Debateable
Mascot and I standing as joint leaders would be more coherent, productive and united than either party right now.
… and 10k of memos, whatsapp and twitter messages later both Klopptimist and Mascot agree that dog shit stinks yet still haven’t a solution. Klopptimist insisting a chainsaw is the answer and Mascot that employing people with poop scoops could work if they had a poop slicer!
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Because proving who you are, your address, age etc is so utterly complicated in this day and age. If you don’t have a drivers’ license and passport, you probably shouldn’t be voting anyway.
Interestingly, when I voted in Germany all I needed was the polling card. They have a national ID card system but that was only required if you had lost the polling card.
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In fairness, if you were voting fraudulently, you’d be shot at dawn.
I think it all started to go downhill when they extended the franchise to forty shilling freeholders.
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Impersonation is a very inefficient form of electoral fraud. It’s time consuming and the chance of being caught is very high. Gerrymandering and disenfranchisement are far more effective.
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Does that mean it doesn’t exist? As a functioning member of society, you need ID. That’s not up for debate. What’s the issue? Ah, the poor and the disenfranchised and and and and and. Now who would those people vote for?
Ah….
So basically, if you’re poor and/or teetotal, you don’t deserve to vote?
Sums you up perfectly well I guess…
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Despite their best efforts, no one could, or can, prove that there was, let alone is, a systematic problem.
EDIT: Voter ID is a ‘gerrymandering scheme’ suggests Jacob Rees-Mogg – Electoral Reform Society – ERS
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It’s monitored and the figures are minimal:
Across a general election, European election, council elections, and various by-elections in 2019, 142 possible cases of voter fraud were reported. Of these there was one conviction which was a father trying to vote on behalf of his son.
On the recent council elections the Electoral Commission know of 14,000 cases that were actively turned away from voting:
That figure is only the ones recorded and doesn’t include people who would have noticed on the day that they didn’t have appropriate ID and didn’t bother turning up. It would be a fair estimation that most of those turned away were legally entitled to vote had they had the correct ID.
I suppose the ironic thing is that many of those who were denied a vote were probably older Conservative voters.
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