UK Politics Thread (Part 3)

[redfanman]

@Arminius

Who is TP? Didn’t even the Tories admit that Truss’ policies were, in fact, a disaster?

Trevor Phillips. He is a presenter for Sky news. Usually well regarded. Has previously represented Labour in the London Assembly. I think.

[redfanman]

@gasband

As we can see, taking in huge numbers of asylum seekers without having a comprehensive plan to house them properly, integrate them by ensuring they can sustain themselves through work or basic education for the children and eventually be living amongst everyone else in a community as part of the greater society…

Sweden was for years often highlighted as a role model, but not sure if it still is now right wing parties have more sway.

Until 2010 the UK had a good system in place that was being invested in. That was dismantled by the Conservatives when they came in and not given the proper attention - pretty much like everything else.

[redfanman]

@RedWhippet

The non processed asylum seekers are being housed in run down hotels at the taxpayers expense. Who is profiting from that?

I’m not so sure that it is a grift by those running hotels.

There might be some hotels who aim for this business, but i think it’s more a reaction to there being a local need for it - as the local authority’s available supply of housing dried up.

The grift is more on the political side in misrepresenting the need and costs of refugees to further power the right wing.

[RedWhippet]

@redfanman

The grift is more on the political side in misrepresenting the need and costs of refugees to further power the right wing.

I think you underestimate the willingness of that shower to have their fingers in the till.

[gasband]

I don’t know the differences in different policies and also the number of refugees accepted but I was in Malaysia a few years ago during the Syrian crisis and I met 2 Syrians who were working in retail just months after arriving in Malaysia as we refugees. And that is fantastic because I could see hope in their eyes as I talked to them about their homeland and their families and that is why a plan for them and executed is so important.

[gasband]

Hopefully Labour reverses that and have an executable plan or else it will just divert resources for citizens without solving the refugee long term sustainability.

[aussielad]

@redfanman

Until 2010 the UK had a good system in place that was being invested in. That was dismantled by the Conservatives when they came in and not given the proper attention - pretty much like everything else they couldn’t get kick backs out of.

Fixed

[RedWhippet]

@gasband

I was in Malaysia a few years ago during the Syrian crisis and I met 2 Syrians who were working in retail just months after arriving in Malaysia as we refugees. And that is fantastic because I could see hope in their eyes as I talked to them about their homeland and their families and that is why a plan for them and executed is so important.

They do similar things in Germany. They accepted around a million Syrian refugees around 2016-17 and had schemes to help with language and training (many were skilled but needed training in local practice). There were a couple of refugees on the German as a foreign language course that I was on. I did get the feeling that they were positive about their future although the hostels that they were living in were far from ideal.

I’m not sure the UK is quite as organised but we did have placement schemes in Scotland when I was working in government there. I remember that we had an Iranian plumber at our house who was on a scheme like that.

[Noo_Noo]

@redfanman

The grift is more on the political side in misrepresenting the need and costs of refugees to further power the right wing.

There is that but my skeptical side thinks theres more to this. Why have a Rwanda scheme? why knowingly allow criminal elements into the uk? Why deliberately exploit people without any care or concern?

My mind drifts to sone pretty sinister places with this.

[RedWhippet]

@Noo_Noo

Why have a Rwanda scheme?

Performative cruelty? Rwanda is forever associated with a genocide, so it sounds like a horrible place to send someone.

[Noo_Noo]

Exactly but they could have easily just sat on stopping the asylum applications but instead decided to create this whole money pit scheme.

As i said, my head really goes to some dark places with this.

[Mascot]

Dark places indeed.

I think it’s pretty obvious that the Tories strategy was to allow the asylum/migration system to fail while ramping up anti immigrant rhetoric - thus creating both the target for public scapegoating and the problem they could claim to be the only ones willing to take performatively cruel measures to address.

[RedWhippet]

I think that they were primarily on the fiddle.

[Klopptimist]

Welcome? Depends on your point of view. If you believe that other people are responsible for your actions then yes. If you believe that you should pay for the lifestyle you choose then not so much.

[redalways]

HS2: Fewer seats could force passengers not to travel

White elephant. Build the full thing.

[Klopptimist]

I’ve always needed to get to London 15 minutes quicker than I currently can from the NW. Well worth £150Bn which it wuld probably cost if finished in full.

[cynicaloldgit]

They should bin HS2 and invest it all on infrastructure in the north. Not only is it much needed, but it would have the added bonus of keeping all these wretched northerners away from London.

[cynicaloldgit]

Another madcap Tory project getting binned:

Bibby Stockholm barge used to house asylum seekers to be closed in January –...

[Klopptimist]

We wouldn’t want to delay your £89 entre at Chez Cash.

[Mascot]

@cynicaloldgit

They should bin HS2 and invest it all on infrastructure in the north. Not only is it much needed, but it would have the added bonus of keeping all these wretched northerners away from London.

It’s always been a flawed premise. I don’t think people necessary want or need to be in London 15 minutes earlier. People just want to be productive while they are on the train. You could have taken that money, invested in in extra rolling stock for the current lines, and provided fast, reliable, free wi-fi on the trains.

Let’s face it. HS2 was really about extending London’s reach and commuter belt. It was never about developing the north.