UK Politics Thread (Part 3)

To follow up on my above post.

I actually, genuinely believe in people being able to seek asylum in the UK or any other country but there needs to be a process and unfortunately, I can never see this happening, not just in the UK, but across Europe in general.

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I donā€™t know now, but if you ask any Asians if they have to escape to Europe (not sure we want to do that now) in the past, the UK is always the top in mind for most. The reputation is one thing because we get to see alot of great things about the UK in the news like even football. And English is a great attraction even if you donā€™t speak it now. Because if you manage to get to the UK, you find work, learn English, get legal residency and with English, there is a chance in future they or their kids can move and work anywhere of their choice.

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Yes, I agree.

But they are two different parts of the system, and the small boat crossings will continue as long as there is no safe route to asylum that doesnā€™t require being on UK land. Thatā€™s what this entire country seems to be in denial about.

To simplify things drastically, again I would guess there are a myriad of factors. One is historical hostility of Italians towards Albanians (I canā€™t seem to find this article at the moment, so disregard this if you wish). Another is again the presence of friends/family here.

As to why else, Iā€™m not sure either.

And thatā€™s the most infuriating part. Anyone who has even thought about this issue for more than a couple of seconds instead of letting their feelings take over the topic will realise that there needs to be a proper mechanism to do so.

Pretending that you can indefinitely keep on turning people away and deporting them is just political short-termism.

But then again, it seems that there are few politicians with actual long-term visions in Europe anyway. And I mean visions as in well-considered, deliberated plans, instead of just mindless Nazi salutes.

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Just watched ā€œ1979 - Those were the daysā€

Uncanny resemblence of blundering cluelessness between Callaghan and Starmer.
Itā€™s almost as if we just have a Callaghan reincarnation running the show now.

The Albanian thing is a bit perplexing. I heard Rory Stewart talking about it a while back and he seemed to think there was no humanitarian reason why Albanians would leave the country, but there may be economic ones.

The puzzling thing is why an economic migrant, wanting to work on the black market, would claim asylum as this makes no sense. The last thing an economic migrant without an appropriate visa would want to do is to make themselves known to the authorities.

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To escape from exploitation by Human trafficking gangs?

I remember back in the 90ā€™s the ( i think) czech government ran information adverts to encourage its gypsy population to come to the UK and i assume claim asylum.

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The whole ā€˜stop the boatsā€™ thing is a Tory charade, manufactured to take the focus off them stripping public services.

Agree that there needs to be international agreement so thereā€™s some equity in the numbers that different countries are taking. This will result in the UK receiving many more refugees as currently we take much less than France or Germany, and a tiny fraction of Turkey or even Uganda.

We also need politicians to have the courage to ignore right wing/media xenophobia and tell the truth- that migration is beneficial and essential, that we have obligations to support those fleeing persecution, and that there is no such thing as an ā€˜illegalā€™ immigrant.

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This article suggests that Albanians claiming asylum may occur a lot of the time because they have been picked up by authorites after entering the country illegally ( not intending to claim asylum) and use it as away to try to then avoid deportation.

A higher proportion of successful claims appear to be by women - likely victims of trafficking.

Male claims lower than average success rate.

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Slight topic change.

This hypocritical grifter needs to be exposed for what he is. Attended what was basically a right wing boot camp in the US, failed to declare it. The camp is linked to groups associated with Steve Bannon. Independent also reporting it.

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Ive heard crime gangs on this. Enter the UK and join gangs already here. No evidence, just a conversation i had.

I think @kopstar was talking about this a couple of years ago. I remember the international figures discussed at the time suggesting Germany was refusing i think pretty much nearly every case from Albania on this basis.

I think there might be some social/non economic factors in play if the coutryā€™s infrastructure isnt well enough developed.

This is why the very act of claiming asylum makes all other legal concerns secondary. Asylum seekers are more often than not forced to break the law/make illegal crossings, because other means arenā€™t open to them.

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Yes, and yet itā€™s still being perpetuated in the media, and it is regardless a real problem in the number of people taking the risks to make the crossings.

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Did this fall by the wayside?
Is it being resurected by Labour?
I canā€™t seem to find details on this.

It seems like the Home Office is institutionally rottenā€¦

I wonder how much influence the US military had in this decision, being that they are so close to Diego Garcia?

Iā€™m less concerned about the Chagos Islands details as I havenā€™t read that much about it, but Iā€™m talking about how theyā€™re deporting people who are unable to access legal services to defend themselves.

The half billion quid ended up behind the bar in ā€˜Le Lion Rougeā€™ in Calais.