Most likely. I would have thought the whole point of the boats by this point is to get stopped on the beach or by Navy in order to claim asylum, as they never get here without being intercepted.
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You need to spend less time on Twitter and Facebook
Luckily for you, no.
I am well aware though that I donāt have any moral superiority, and I wouldnāt call someone else pedantic.
Again, itās not opinion-based, but based on the social science research that I have seen that I unfortunately do not have the time to look for again right now.
Not all Trump supporters are white and racist, and furthermore have no problem with the concept of immigration.
They just happen to form an uncomfortably large proportion of them.
Congratulations, you found an exception to the many, many people who are not black and African. Are you also going to tell me she canāt be racist too? Because I can tell you that many immigrants have a problem with immigration, simply because they feel as though theyāve fought so hard to get their status, that they deserve it and have to pull up the ladder behind them. Similarly, the racist abuse I have received has mainly come from ethnic minorities. Go figure.
I would say happy reading, but I find it quite tragic. No different from urban dwellers complaining about isolated examples of problems living rurally that donāt really represent the picture, but then generalising negatively and voting accordingly anyway.
Even if you were some part of a criminal gang trying to get in youād take your chances claiming asylum, then doing a runner from the holding centre/ hotel or whatever.
You are responding as if I were being anecdotal. Iām referring to social attitudes studies.
You mean you donāt get your āevidenceā from anecdata???
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I rather miss the good old days when they would start a phrase with āIām not a racist butā¦ā Now they just do a racism and look proud about it.
I donāt think itās helped by media and politicians using US terminology that has no meaning in UK law and mislabeling refugees and confusing them with visa violations.
There are elements of irregular migration that everyone should be aware of and concerned about, because it concerns things like modern slavery violations. Unfortunately, they are usually not very visible.
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I rather miss the good old days when they didnāt feel compelled to start a phrase with āIām not a racistā before making a perfectly reasonable point/ concern they have about uncontrolled immigration knowing full-well they were going to be labelled a fucking xenophobic, Daily Fail-reading, ignorant bigot by people who have zero tolerance for anyone expressing a different opinion to their own, but thatās just me.
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Uncanny how many people who throw rasist/racism accusations are often the worst kind of full blown racists
themselves
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Can you quote the post of mine that you refer to please.
Additionally, why have you answered a question that I have not asked? And why ask a rhetorical question that no one knows the answer to?
Our recent debate was regarding the above post. Iv quoted it for reference. In it you stated āpeople have a legal right to enter and claim asylum.ā And āthey do not become illegal immigrants until their claim has been processed and they have failedā.
So, I have used that āTinternetā thing - which you said wasnāt too hard to use (you are correct on this point) - done my research and replied.
But, āoh boyā you keep referring back to the 1951 convention, which applies solely to āRefugeesā.
@Noo_Noo firstly, I know my post is condescending and I apologise for that.
Letās just beg to differ and draw a line under this and move on.
Wow, who pissed on your chips?
I will respond in order to your responses.
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āI am well aware though that I donāt have any moral superiorityā. What a statement, Iām sure there is some irony here?
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So for the time being itās not fact? Could it be that the research is hypothetical?
Also, you stated that I am ignoring the facts. How can I ignore facts, that I havenāt had the chance to ignore, because you havenāt had the time to provide me with them? -
really. In your post, you implied that people reading RW rags Tar all brown and people of Pakistani origin as āMuslimā. Yet, in the majority of your posts you imply that all people who have concerns with Immigration are white racists. So you are basically Taring them with the same brush you are critical of.
Further more you then reference Trump for no apparent reason and furthermore imply that a large proportion of them are white and racist - but in your defence you did say not all of them. -
Iām sure you mentioned somewhere previously about not taking the moral high ground.
I think you have over stepped the mark, ācongratulations you found an exception to the many, many people who are not black and Africanā.
Maybe reflect on your use of wording, it comes across as a bit dehumanising.
For clarity, I provided that information to give some context to the point that followed. As someone who has gone through the process of obtaining British citizenship she has concerns about immigration from āboth sideāsā!!!.
The rest of your point is
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āBecause I can tell you that many immigrants have problems with immigrationā what through lived experience, social science research, facts??
āThe racist abuse I have received has mainly come from ethnic minoritiesā. Whatā¦not the white racists fuelled by the RW rags??
Please note, I am sorry that you have had to experience racist abuse.
So, to conclude, you agree that not all people who have concerns about immigration are all White racists, blinded by RW media??
Iāve actually written lots of reports on immigration without mentioning race, because most immigration, usually uncontrolled, is actually internal to the country.
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Thatās absolutely fine but doesnāt negate anything in my post if it was supposed to.
Opinions are like assholes. Everyoneās got one. Sadly some stink.
Thank you so much, youāve just entirely proved my point.
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Anyone who starts a sentence with āIām not racist, butā¦ā is about to say something racist. As sure as the sun sets in the west. Itās inevitable.
Iāve never had to say āIām not racist, butā¦ā because Iāve never felt compelled to express an opinion that I knew, deep down, was a probably bit racist.
Nor have I ever suffered from the breezy, privileged self-confidence to assume that just because I declare myself not to be racist, then no accusations of racism can be thrown my way.
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Iām no racist but Iām very concerned about the effects of mass immigration on the countryās resources, I donāt think we have the infra-structure and support-network to cope with it at the present time.
There, Iāve just exposed myself as a racist. At least to you and Noo_Noo anyway.
You canāt choose both, theyāre coming for you now 
What irony is there? I donāt have any moral superiority, I just find many values and positions that people hold distasteful. For example, I find it distasteful that some believe that just because there were people who were promoting the story about antisemitism in the left-wing movements that Corbyn came from, it means that it wasnāt a problem at all. Because there was very much a problem, especially with that common trope of Jews controlling the world.
I find it distasteful that people who have benefitted from a system that has promoted good outcomes for the majority of people would seek to destroy it, pull up the ladder behind them.
For starters, have a gander at https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0267323116669456 for how news coverage affects attitudes.
The Migration Observatory have also compiled some data on the asylum claims backlog (The UKās asylum backlog - Migration Observatory - The Migration Observatory) where you can see how despite applications remaining fairly constant between 2015 and 2020, the backlog kept increasing.
This coverage of the Leveson report, which I was not aware of before, points out how this sensationalism was noted in the report, and this was in 2012.
From silence to sensationalism on the migrant crisis | Peter Preston | The Guardian ā not a rigorous study, but shows examples. There was one I read which reviewed how often immigration, particularly refugees, was covered in the news over the years, but I donāt really have the time to dig it out.
Source: How the Tory war on immigration backfired | Immigration and asylum | The Guardian
Re-read my post. I specifically said the rags themselves were doing that, not the people who read them. But itās also casual racism to equate ābrownā and āMuslimā.
The relevance of this is analogous here. How often do you see āthey just donāt fitā trotted out as an argument here? There are legitimate concerns about immigration, they just arenāt the salient ones being used all the time. The problems with immigration that most people complain about, such as integration, cost, etc. are a function of the political system and the way it has set the countryās immigration system up, not immigration in and of itself.
This is connected to the next point.
I am very disdainful of ālived experienceā, which is why I put that in there. I also happen to not live in an area where the right-wing rags are anywhere close to being popular. The Conservatives are often just a tiny minority, let alone the laughable attempts of the neo-Nazis to make any entrance.
Look at the demographics of the support for anti-immigration policies. They are quite clear. Just because there are some ethnic minorities who support such policies, doesnāt make the support for such policies dominated by racists, and people who are misinformed by the rags and their social networks (generically, not limited social media platforms).
No shit? Itās like saying that all people who have concerns about wealth concentration are poor, or that all people who have concerns about taxation of the wealthy are rich? There will always be exceptions to the rule.