Oh yeah, I remember now, being called a racist for suggesting we look after our own countrymen first.
Yes, because thatās entirely the fault of the asylum seekers, not the political choices of the previous government.
Long term we both want a functioning system. Iāve no argument with that. That isnāt the disagreement.
Itās the quoted part that is the problem, and I hate to say it but three or four people have tried to explain it to you and you just donāt seem to get it.
It isnāt a matter of āacceptingā Asylum Seekers. There are no legal routes for most asylum seekers. They arrive on small boats and the back of lorries. We donāt have much control of this. In accordance with international law we have to grant them leave to remain until their asylum claim is heard.
You imagined a situation where Asylum Seekers get here and choose to go off into criminal gangs, or a lavished with benefits and access to services. They donāt. They get put in squalid hotels and the ones that disappear are trafficked.
The reason why the backlog is so great is that the Tories simply stopped processing claims. We canāt just stop people coming.
Your proposal is we stop āaccepting themā. What should we do? Break international law? Call in the navy, sink the dingies and watch them drown?
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Sexist as well. Dear me.
Not in this thread. I expect it will get closed again soon though, so weāll done on that.
Where then?
The sad thing is I canāt actually tell if youāre joking.
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Nope, thats why i think it was a deliberate trap by the tories. No way both legal immigration and boats are stopped overnight.
It stinks and the heated dis ussions here are a consequence of that. Its crazy because most people pretty much want the same thing
Not much being said about this
https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1850638992980541477?t=ci-4D73yOwyHJTh-U5bGIQ&s=03
Itās shit. Heāll probably get booted. Good.
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Whatās there to be said apart from your obvious furious wanking over it because it involves a Labour MP?
There are precious few details out there, and thereās nothing to be said apart from speculation?
Itās helpful to remember 1.2M migrate to the UK every year. More than the population of Edinburgh and Glasgow combined.
Yet for the last 15 years, we have had austerity, with cuts to services. It is a recipe for disaster.
Blaming asylum seekers and illegal migrants is like blaming a leaky faucet for your house flooding, all the while you have left the tap running for your bath tub.
Itās a diversion tactic by the government. That not to say a leaky faucet is not a problem that needs fixing. However even if you get a plumber round to fix it, youāre still going to have wet feet.
Migrants are generally a good thing for the UK, however it is prudent that this is managed. Taking the worldās best. This can be balanced taking in asylum seekers where there is a moral obligation.
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Just to be clear, this is not net migration. A large proportion of this migration is temporary.
This 1.2m figure is also not āevery yearā, it was 2023, and the typical figure is 800k.
Source: Page 14, https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN06077/SN06077.pdf
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Not good, it bugs me on several fronts
- That a new government is doing this, exactly the same stunt as the previous government.
- Secondly that Hoyle is toothless. First offence here, fair enough but when tories were doing it every other week it was all noise and no bite.
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You are correct, but the underlying message I am conveying is still the same.
Itās like a conversation of net spend vs gross spend on transfers.
Instead of it being population of Glasgow and Edinburgh. Itās just one of those cities net. Both cities gross. Itās important to understand both.
However I would disagree with most migrants simply being temporary. The UK birth rate is currently 1.44. It needs to be 2.1 to be sustainable. Yet population has increased increase between 2011 and 2022 was 4.3M. Using you numbers above (for the last year) itās likely to be even higher.
Thatās what I am conveying. Population is increasing during a time of cuts. Itās wrong to blame asylum seekers/illegal migrants when it is driven by legal migration.
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Eyeballing it roughly suggests 300k per year from 2013 to 2021, so thatās 2.4m, and another 1.2m over the next couple of years (primarily linked to HK and Ukraine I believe).
Iām not sure it can be much higher than any ONS population estimates. Either way, it all sounds terrifying Iām sure, except:
Source: United Kingdom population mid-year estimate - Office for National Statistics
The gradient barely budges. The inflection point came around 2003, if there is one.
I donāt have access to the data off-hand, but I could look into it.
And ironically, given the demographic crisis you allude to with the birth rate, it probably is necessary to be importing this many people, likely to be younger, given the ageing population.
EDIT: How Long Do Migrants Stay in the UK? - Migration Observatory - The Migration Observatory suggests that for long-term migrants, itās an annual average of 530k arrivals and 200k departures, long-term being defined as >1 year. See the paragraph above Table 1.
Took a glance at that X account to see what informs your worldview and your posts on this forum. Bonkers.
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Just to let people know Iāve deleted the post from Klopptimist, as it links to one of the most vile Twitter accounts Iāve seen. Overt unashamed racism and antisemitism from a white supremacist fucknut.
I can only assume Klopptimist didnāt know what he was posting, but a reminder to everyone. Twitter is a cesspit. Please be careful what you repost.
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Was a 5 second search. I donāt do X except for stuff like this. I donāt have a āfeedā