There was a much more colourful version of that in one of the Dirty Harry films.
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This is a family forum, so youâll never see me swearing here.
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I see @redalways has responded eloquently but Iâll add a few points.
Firstly an asylum seeker has no obligation to seek asylum in the first safe country they reach. The choice if where they seek asylum is theirs. 1951 refugee convention.
Yes there are some that are trying their luck to cross with the hope of disappearing. If they get picked up, they claim asylum and hope to do a runner from whatever accommodation their in. Iâve said that.
The flipside is that with conditions so poor in some instances and no hope of your claim being resolved some will run to family & friends here too.
Youâll need to back up the numbers though. I would be alarmed if the numbers are where you say.
Lastly, the solution to this has always been processing asylum applications quickly and safe routes. Basically remove opportunities for the system to be abused as it has been.
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If only the politicians who bang on about France/Italy/wherever being a safe country were challenged with this fact by the so-called journalists on television.
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The French really have a hard time policing their borders to Afghanistan and Syria.
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You forgot âIâm not racist butâŚâ
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He is peddling the myth that refugees have to seek asylum in the first safe control they enter.
Of course, this isnât true. There is no such requirement. And France takes far more asylum seekers than the UK anyway. We are right at the bottom of the stats on that one.
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One has to ask, given that France has the better food, better weather, fractionally less empire building history and a charming hotel I know very well in Avignon, why carry on to the UK? Nope, no idea.
Anybody who might have an idea or suggestion is of course automatically a racist. Obviously.
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Language? Family?
Maybe actually do some investigating before forming your opinion.
Or, just keep trolling.
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Iâm not racist but I just canât be arsed doing basic research (or a google search) on the reasons why asylum seekers come to the UK
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A lot of this is a result of colonialism and soft power.
People tend to go where they have some chance of settling. Speaking the language is a big part of that. A lot of Africans go to France because that is where they had their colonies.
English is a very widely spoken language because we exported it around the world at the point of a gun. We controlled the biggest Empire the world has ever seen, and even in countries we didnât invade we exported a cultural dominance that require English as a second language.
So of course people want to come here. If Britain got hit by a meteor, and I had to leave I would go to a Spanish speaking country, because I have a smattering of the language. Thatâs just sense.
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Ah, the good old trolling line, itâs more ancient that COG.
Now why would family be here? As for language, anybody seeking asylum from an English (native) speaking company shouldnât be seeking asylum. Until next month of course when millions of Americans will be fleeing from the dreaded orange man.
As for research, Iâll renew my Guardian subscription so I can do the same as you.
ZzzzzzzzzzzâŚ
Youâve been informed that the UK has far less asylum applications than other countries (17th out of the EU27 countries) and that we have far less generous supports. You keep posting Daily Mail tropes and refuse to give your opinion on why asylum seekers come to UK. So you canât really complain about being accused of trolling
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Wondering what an acceptable asylum seeker to the UK would be. I guess has to arrive directly from a war torn country via plane.
Donât forget that they need to have a PHD level medical qualification, speak perfect English, be willing to renounce their former culture, and be willing live miles away from any white people.
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Shit, I only got 1 out of 4. There goes my escape plan.
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Ah. OK. The problem is that you are asleep. I just thought you were strategically ignoring new information.
Legal migration, illegal migration and Asylum Seeking are different things, as has now been explained several times.
What you are talking about in this diatribe is people seeking asylum. People fleeing war torn countries or persecution, lacking documentation etc.
Asylum seeking is not a form of illegal migration, regardless of how often you intentionally or unintentionally conflate the two. It doesnât matter how you arrive in the country. If you claim asylum, you have legal right to remain until such time as your claim has been assessed and ruled on. It is not possible to be an asylum seeker and be in the country illegally.
At this point itâs entirely on the country to get that claim assessed. If claims are not met, we can legally deport them. It is not the fault of people seeking asylum that the strategy of the previous government was to put them in hotels indefinitely and then use them as a scapegoat.
The vast majority of those who disappear into the black economy are the victims of people traffickers and criminal gangs. Many of them (thousands by a recent estimate) are children. But youâve done your research. You already know this.
It would be less naive than working on the assumption that desperate people trying to reach the UK as a matter of survival are probably criminals, which is what you are doing.
There is a deep level of criminality at the heart of the asylum issue, but that is because the previous government basically outsourced the problem to these people. You are right that lots of people arriving in the UK through unconventional means are disappearing off grid into criminal activity. But you are acting like this is a choice. Criminal gangs will confiscate documents and passports and force people into criminal activity like prostitution or the drug trade.
This is why safe legal routes, and an efficient processing system are so important.
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Just when we thought you couldnât get any more tiresome, boring and downright fucking supercilious, you go and outdo yourself.
EDIT- I missed arrogant.
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You know what fella, you can waffle on all day about how right you are about everything and how every man and his dog has the right to come here but ultimately my views are pretty uncomplicated.
Like iâve said numerous times Iâm all for bringing in the right people in the right numbers in the right areas.
Thatâs not how itâs panning out though. I donât know what itâs like where you live but in Liverpool now there are a number of severely deprived, dirt-poor areas - Anfield, Kensington, Fairfield, Breck Road, West Derby Road, Shiel Road etc - and these are the areas that asylum seekers and migrants are being housed in. Cramming more and more dirt-poor people into an already dirt-poor area. How is that going to benefit anyone? These areas have been deprived, slum areas for decades and thatâs not going to change. Itâs a fucking recipe for disaster but hey, letâs just keep compounding the problem year after year.
Iâm sorry for anybody caught up in a war zone or being persecuted for whatever reason but how about we get our own house in order first? All weâre doing is turning other countries problems into our own problems.
If thatâs something youâre happy with then fine but Iâm not and Iâm as entitled to have that opinion as you are yours.
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