UK Politics Thread (Part 3)

Last 14 years of tory rule. Simple really.

Do you have any evidence for this? I can see a few doing that but not the majority of legal immigrants. I’m ready to be proven wrong though.

And i agree to controlling immigration. I’ve said that above. The uk has massive shortages in workers in STEM subjects. Get them in.

Also controlling immigration isca good first step in tearing down the current stigma that goes with it.

I’m not talking about legal immigrants. I’m all for legal immigration in the right areas and in the right numbers.
I’m talking about those fleeing war-torn France who enter the country having disposed of any documentation that would be a help in identifying who they actually are, who have no skills to offer and end up holed up in hotels costing the tax-payer millions of pounds each year. Those who disappear into the black economy and contribute nothing, a recent report estimated there are over 100,000 migrants in the country right now whose whereabouts are unknown to the authorities. All working illegally and contributing nothing in taxes etc.
That’s not to mention those that come here with criminal intent. It would be naive in the extreme to assume everyone making the journey across the channel was doing so with the intent of being a law-abiding citizen.

Huh?

Isn’t that what they’re doing? Fleeing war and persecution?

Sure, but I don’t think France can be described as ‘war-torn’.

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Maybe your comment was a bit tongue in cheek :man_shrugging:t3: but I find blaming everything on 14 years of Tory rule a bit dismissive.

Maybe, it’s because British students don’t want to be doctors, nurse’s, carers, etc. I believe there is a negative trend in applications.

I completely agree with the point you raised in your previous post. Filling these positions with skilled immigrants, who contribute to the economy is a no brainer.

This is one issue that saddens me, as the UK had a good reputation in these areas.

Out of interest why do you think this? Is it because the importance of these areas are not highlighted in schools, not enough class time is dedicated to it? the decline in apprenticeships?

I am not up to date on the current school curriculum, but could Maths and Physics not be combined under engineering. They are so closely aligned.

Completely agree with this. How we get there, I don’t know.

They are not in their tens of thousands.

I’d like to see that report. As far as I’m aware, the vast majority of illegal immigration of the sort you mention does not come from asylum seekers, as you seem to be insinuating. They are people who overstay their visas.

It’s not easy for someone to “disappear into the black economy and contribute nothing”, although I note that they are also therefore correspondingly less likely to be a drain on public resources. It’s actually quite hard, short of sophisticated identity fraud, because you don’t have access to bank accounts, which makes it harder to rent, etc.

By that logic, all immigration should be shut down. But the reality is that the ones who do come here “with criminal intent” usually get deported because their claims get refused, and I’m speaking specifically of the Albanian criminal gangs.

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For doctors, I believe that there is a cap on student numbers (see also dentists): https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9735/

According to that, there are only around 9500 places to study medicine in the UK. It cites specifically the challenges around “cost of training, current university and clinical placement capacity, and the current number of clinically qualified academic staff who design and deliver courses” as reasons why it’s hard to expand that cap, which suggests that it is the result of austerity.

For nurses and carers, have you seen the pay on offer? The recurring theme in most interviews I’ve seen is that there’s high turnover and attrition simply because the conditions are terrible and the pay is low.

Unfortunately I think the subjects are actually rather far apart even though they might share common areas. I come from a different education system, and my understanding of what is taught is that they are vastly different, even though you need quite a fair bit of maths for physics.

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Oh dear……

Did you hear that Mike Amesbury punched a man?

I swear this is becoming the new Alexander-Arnold wants the Ballon d’Or, and that wasn’t even that old…

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That figure sounds like the estimate for those trapped in slavery:

The number of people identified as victims of modern slavery has been rising year on year, with over 12,000 people referred to the authority in 2021. The real number of people trapped in slavery is estimated to be much higher – more than 130,000 people – and is estimated to cost the UK £33 billion per year.

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Well if that’s the case it doesn’t sound like it’s their choice, does it?

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I’m not racist but I am Australian?

I’m not racist but I just hate Mancunians?

I’m not racist but I can’t stand Vegemite?

I’m not racist but like, that’s just your opinion, man.

Really! I hadn’t thought of you as a racist bastard before now.

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It would appear he’s deleted this Tweet.

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Cut of choice for some on here.

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I am racist, can’t stand F1 anymore,

I’m not racist. I hate everyone equally.

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