UK Politics Thread (Part 3)

This was proposed as a pilot in Scotland but was scrapped:

As it is, the power stations have since been scrapped and demolished. Realistically, Scotland is the wrong place to have these plants. There is far more scope for renewables than they have capacity for so the non-renewables need to be elsewhere on the grid.

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Longannet was doomed to fail from the first. Coal power stations (‘clean coal’) are pointed to as possible, but actually present a worst case scenario for carbon capture. The exhaust from the Rankin process is nasty, even with state of the art filtering which itself detracts from plant efficiency. FFS, it is basically smoke. The capture process works best with clean streams of CO2, and to the extent that the exhaust from the Rankin process is NOx and SOx, it needs to be throughly cleaned before injected into reservoirs. Those reservoirs may have been able to hold hydrocarbons of various forms for eons, that doesn’t mean they can hold acidified CO2 indefinitely.

The ideal place for CO2 is natural gas processing plants, particularly ones working with ‘sweet’ gas. The CO2 stream they produce is much purer and easier to work with. Still hard to scale, still expensive. I was rather hoping to be one of Noo_Noo’s private sector types getting the cash funneled to me, but as it worked out even with 75% capital funding from the public sector, the project could not fly. That tells you something.

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Lefty liberals who don’t like baton charges and water cannons?

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Well Singapore did want to get up to 15% of electricity from Sun Cable in Australia but seems that plan is in a limbo because the billionaires backing Sun Cable could not agree on things?

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I’d go for tazers and pepper spray

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Watching I See You GIF

https://twitter.com/robfordmancs/status/1659123534340161537?s=20

Yes, except they are proposing it is the biproduct of the hydrocarbon, ie CO2 which needs sequestration and this doesn’t store so neatly or cheapily in existing traps.

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Currently a plan for this to supply Singapore electricity needs is being stalled by a fight between Twiggy and Mike Cannon-Brooks.

Edit: see @gasband has already mentioned…

For what it’s worth, I agree with Twiggy on this one and think the energy should be reserved domestically first as energy security needs to be paramount.

Yep it’s not the way forward - Oz has wasted hundreds of millions over ~15 years trying to setup a CCS system and admitted defeat.

I’m not the one proposing it, or even saying it’s an economically viable solution.
Just saying it’s doable, and there’s underground storage for literally billions of cubic feet.
That’s the equivalent of quite a lot of over ground storage tanks.

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The sequestration part is not fundamentally the problem, other than in the constraints that imposes on the already difficult capture process. It can and has been done with enhanced oil recovery projects, CO2 is injected into late-life wells to extract more than would otherwise be recoverable, and the CO2 can be capped in place - although some leak tracing is required. The Weyburn project in Saskatchewan showed both the possibilities and the fact that many of these reservoirs have been pincushions for a generation or so.

Clean coal though is basically nonsense, pie-in-the-sky stuff.

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Ugh…

That would likely correlate disturbingly well to income levels in urban areas, with the possible exception of Manchester

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Apparently Tories are used to swimming in sewage :thinking:

What a plonker

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Didn’t realise being Conservative meant conserving the living standards of Victorian times…

I see where he is coming from. Rivers and coasts used to be filthy when I was a kid. I remember holidays in Blackpool and Scarborough and the sea was always full of shit.

What Green is neglecting to say, unsurprisingly, is that in the 20-30 years prior to leaving the EU, British rivers and seas massively cleaned up, driven by EU laws and regulations that we signed up to and helped to draft.

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Yeah, and he is still wearing his pink swimming cap today as proof…

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I agree but his words were just begging for that headline.

Stupid is, stupid does.

But equally worse is the fact that he and Coffey tried to cover up that the infrastructure has been allowed to deteriorate.

“It’s always been like this”

Blatant lying again and Peston, as with pretty much all journalists don’t call them out.

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Well they speak enough of it, so you would hope they are used to swimming in it

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