That’s bullshit and shows you clearly havent been reading anything I’ve said. Look at my last post on this thread.
Seconfly Labour are not my party. I am simply against far right parties, probably far left ones too but increasingly against a political system that takes money from everyone that earns a wage to those of extensive wealth that live off hedge funds and do on.
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Killing off industry and instigating policies of individual liberty along with deregulation of the banking and financial sector. Also right to buy which started the property issues faced by the uk today.
I note you blame labour for this but you ignore the person that started it. You will also find that I said the every governnent since Thatcher has generally done very little to reverse the trend she started.
So that kills off the essay you wrote in your earlier reply.
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Yawn
If the tories would have been in government at the time the impact would have been the same, possibly worse.
I worked on planning meetings for bird flu (or at least pandemic planning of which bird flu was a model.) The Labour (and SNP administration in Scotland) did plan for it in a quite detailed manner. If you go back to the 2000s, the major concern was dealing with a potential biological terrorism attack. However, there were elements of that which I could see being implemented in the Covid response.
Don’t imagine that these things don’t happen. Government (i.e. the state, not the politicians) do work on these things. What may happen is that the politicians don’t act on the recommendations. Partly, this is because they are being told to spend money on something that may or (and we all hope) not happen. It is far easier politically to spend money on something that they will get credit for before the end of their term.
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Pretty much but remained careful throughout. I am in a higher risk group. I missed an annual camping trip with friends is one example of self imposed restrictions I placed on myself I never ate out to help out.
None of my immediate family took furlough. I worked throughout and being honest I dont think it did me any good. It certainly hasnt helped my 10 year old.
But back to the point being made. Boris Johnson made a complete hash of it and it cost lives needlessly. Missing COBRA meetings, let the bodies pile high, ignoring scientific advice through late lockdowns, and so on. I’m happy to wait for the inquiry to reveal all of this. Of course he partied throughout.
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I’m not surprised it’s under diagnosed. How many of us are a little broken after Covid for example?
Got to admit I’m increasingly concerned about some if the messaging (at least) from this government. I appreciate they’re between a rock and a hard place but being “Jim Ratcliffe” doesn’t really help at all.
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A significant number:
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With COVID, wasn’t it specifically because the government had discarded the work previously done and/or disbanded the group in charge of coordinating it? I remember something about that having taken place literally right before COVID, but Google is proving to be a piece of shit.
EDIT: ‘Fatal strategic flaws’: first report of UK Covid inquiry pinpoints serious errors of state | Covid inquiry | The Guardian is the closest I could find, but it was talking about how the UK government was underprepared, in part from preparing for a flu epidemic rather than a coronavirus pandemic.
They shut down our pandemic response I believe. Cameron again.
There was an exercise in 2016 called Cygnus which was a Public Health England run initiative which assessed how the UK would respond to a bird flu epidemic. I get the impression that it was largely ignored because Brexit. However, I was involved in implementing some of the recommendations in Scotland, mainly relating to public information channels. Incidentally, we had absolutely sod-all budget for it. There was another requirement that we managed to piggy-back on.
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Yep. They also allowed stockpiles of PPE and other critical pandemic supplies to dwindle.
The sheer fucking arrogance dripping off this comment. The total absence of self-awareness and self-reflection. This is why I don’t like to engage with you.
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Don’t expect a reply to this. 
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Another day, another overnight tsunami of drivel.
You can set your watch to it, it’s that fucking regular.
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Yeah but you’re just a woke LW Guardian-reading Labour supporter.
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It is important for the truth to be heard though. And by truth I mean whatever you already believe.
The financial crisis is getting to World War 1 levels of public ignorance as to how it actually started. People think World War 1 started because a minor European Royal was assassinated, but that was just the spark. The cause was the House of Cards the continent was built on that made war pretty much inevitable.
If we want to apportion some blame to Labour you could theoretically argue that the Wild West deregulation of the financial sector that Thatchers government started continued on their watch. That in itself though was a global problem, and deregulation was a global trend which Labour felt powerless to resist, as Thatcher had made the UK economy entirely dependent on this immoral, footloose industry and they could do whatever they like at the threat of taking their sector and jobs to a more compliant country.
The spark of the crisis was the US subprime mortgage collapse in the US, but the reason why this spiralled into a global crisis was the culture of selling derivatives against the products in question - meaning that unscrupulous financial actors could buy toxic mortgages from banks, bundle them together, have them fraudulently stamped as triple A rated safe investments, sell them on and then take massive bets on them failing. There is really no juncture in that process that shouldn’t be illegal. It’s pure insider trading.
Obviously, as a totally deregulated industry, the institutions selling those derivatives weren’t required to actually hold the reserves to cover them. So when those mortgages fell, then suddenly financial institutions were liable to pay out dividends to speculators that they could not honour. So they fell, and institutions selling derivatives in those institutions found themselves liable to pay out dividends to speculators they couldn’t honour. And so on. House of cards.
There are two mistakes Labour made in the fall out from the financial crash. Now, I think Gordon Brown was a fucking hero in the wake of the financial crash. He showed true global leadership, and did what was necessary to stabilise the economy while a lot of the rest of the world floundered. But he should not have rushed to re-privatise the Royal Bank of Scotland. It should have remained nationalised and repurposed as a national investment bank. It should have been used to drive national infrastructure projects and business creation (something private banks are very unwilling to do and the benefits are felt longer term). Also, more importantly, there should have consequences for the financial sector, and a pushback against the ‘too big to fail’ narrative. They should not have been allowed their institution back to carry on as if nothing happened.
The second mistake, and I forget whether this was the 2010 or 2015 election (think it was Milliband, so prob 2015), was apologising for their handling off the economic crash and subsequently taking responsibility for the financial crash. This was in response to the enslaught of misinformation from the Tories and the media, and they hoped that it would draw a line under the issue and making it go away. That was hopelessly naïve.
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Don’t forget to jab them as well Liz. Bloody Tories were far too soft on them.
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I can’t tell if this is sarcasm or not, but either way, these are essentially the Tories at this point.
I’d imagine their polling will not recover from this. Absolutely abysmal.
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