Ok forget our shit show. Seeing Putin greet troops etc. it’s a mirror of Hitler.
Starmer seeming extremely pleased with himself that Trump has agreed to only stick it 3/4 up him - and us.
Fucking melt
I know we have our differences, but I fucking hate this as well.
Starmer shouldn’t be acting like he’s pulled a blinder because Trump has agreed to slap him round the face rather than kick him in the balls. It’s sickening.
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Arsenal fan doing Arsenal things I guess…
I wanted to be able to read the article again more thoroughly to evaluate what you were saying about it. But guess what, I didn’t have to.
Tell me again how this isn’t pandering?
Source: Labour MP says Starmer’s ‘island of strangers’ warning over immigration mimics scaremongering of far right – UK politics live | Politics | The Guardian
And actually, in that original article alone:
Labour are showing that they still don’t get it. No one voted them in to get the same old failed policies and platform from the previous government.
EDIT: (sorry @cynicaloldgit for editing after you liked this)
More to the point, no one’s going to vote Labour when they’re basically just using the Reform platform. They’re not going to bother voting for Reform-lite, and Starmer sure as hell isn’t as popular among the people who would vote for Reform as Farage is. Idiots. It’s like they saw Scholz’s failure and thought, you know what, that looks like a great idea to imitate!
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Don’t worry, mate: I agree with what you’ve said in the edit, too. 
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He’s acting the exact same way as he was before the election when you were jumping through hoops to defend him
So because I wanted him to be Prime Minister before the election, I’m a hypocrite if I criticise him afterwards.
There are obviously things I’m going to disagree with about him. That’s life.
I don’t think any hoops are being jumped though. I think he got unfair shit in the run up to the election, and some shit that was entirely fair. And now he is Prime Minister he gets a lot of shit that is totally unfair, and some shit that is totally fair.
I’ve not changed my mind that if all the candidates to be Prime Minister he was by a long way the best one. That might actually be more a case of the least worst, but there we are.
Nor have I changed my mind that Starmer is trying to govern a country that is essentially ungovernable. There is no money, the electorate is wired on Social Media and out of control misinformation, and the world is sliding into fascism.
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My point in a nutshell.
There is a video of Starmer, Macron and Merz on a training posing for a photo, and Macron shuffles a cocaine wrap off the table. Except it’s obviously a fucking tissue.
Russia have jumped on this and starting spreading misinformation that the trio are off their tits on coke on an official trip.
And judging by Social Media comments people are desperate to believe the Russian agitprop over demonstrable reality because it gives them an opportunity to put the boot into Starmer and show what a frightfully clever (and frightfully tiresome) contrarian they are.
Then also today you have a man convicted for fire bombing his house. That he doesn’t even live in anymore.
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None of that excuses his collaborating in the Gaza genocide, or his Enoch Powell-esque speech yesterday
His immigration position is a direct consequence of three quarters of the country believing that we are under constant threat of invasion from brown people in small boats. Working class Labour voters.
We are long past the point where any Prime Minister carries the authority to tell the electorate they are wrong. Everyone constructs their own reality based on what they are reading on social media. This is what I mean by saying we are essentially ungovernable.
Keir Starmer is acting tough on immigration because he feels politics and society is such that he has to. I disagree, I think it’s wrong, but I would probably be hounded from office in two weeks if I were PM.
The telegraph editorial today was advising its readers to not trust Starmer on immigration - he doesn’t believe it, he is insincere, and he is only announcing these measure because he feels he has no choice. It’s the first thing I’ve read in the Telegraph that I’ve agreed with for years.
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Or, perhaps, since he’s going to be viewed as insincere anyway, why not make the positive case for it?
The simple answer is that he’s really just too small-c conservative. Don’t rock the boat.
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Unfortunate choice of words in the circumstances? 
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I wish I could claim that it was deliberate, but yeah.
That’s what I’d do. But I don’t have to deal with the right wing press, and 300 of my own MPs demanding I do something on immigration, because the public are rabid and and they are going to lose their seat.
Starmer is - as I said before the election - a pragmatist. It’s probably his worst quality, as I think he is pragmatic when there is no need to be.
I don’t think he is conservative. He has been involved in Labour Politics all his life, to the extent that many on the delusional right would have you believe he is a frothing communist.
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You read the Torygraph?
That’s a big no no for me, though I do have a good idea of the drivel it comes out with. My dad reads the ‘thing’ and it comes across clearly in what he spouts.
Who are they supporting now the Tories are history?
Anything other than the conservative labour party?
I’m not saying he’s a Conservative, I’m saying he’s conservative. As in having internalised that whole Ming vase mantra. He won’t do anything with an ounce of political risk.
I’d love to be mistaken, but do you see him doing anything visionary?
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The latest MRP polling have Reform as the largest party.
But yes by all means let’s keep parroting and validating the Reform talking points, shall we?
Starmer is the wrong person for the moment. It would be great if he had a foil who provides a genuinely inspirational vision for the country and he’s just the one executing it, but that’s just fantasy land at the moment.
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I honestly find the rise of Reform quite frightening on so many levels. It is not a concern, it is actually a legitimate fear.
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As you should be, not least because Starmer is proving the fundamental thesis of such a party. The “mainstream” parties have no solution for the actual problems of today, except to ape the failed bullshit that the fringe parties put forward that have precious little to do with the real problems, so might as well just vote for full-fat Reform.
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