I think Kruger is the more significant one as he was serving in the current shadow cabinet, and a fairly notable name within the party. More will now continue to follow. The lack of any notable action by their leader, or of any attempt to replace her, while this is going on makes it feel like the party is resigned to its fate of becoming like the old Liberal party.
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I agree. It certainly has the feeling of rats deserting the sinking ship.
And momentum is certainly with Reform. It honestly makes me nervous
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So that SHOULD be the limitation then. The way these parties get real traction is by doing the Meloni thing of extending the argument out to directly address the economic issues these anti-immigration claim to think is a problem.
âOk, you are anti immigrant because of the impact on jobs, so this is what weâre doing about jobs.â It doesnât need the anti-immigration point to be raised. The OGs in the movement know that is still the undercurrent, but you at least offer more to win over new people. If all you have is anti-immigration sentiment the movement inevitably easts itself through fights between groups who want to moderate on rhetoric to be more electorally appealing and those who demand purity (of hate).
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A gang of none?
I always find this sort of argument interesting.
There are a number of sites which display National Debt clocks, some of the amounts vary but an example of one is ÂŁ2,746,751,521,362.
This figure grows by just under ÂŁ18,000,000 an hour. I donât even know how much the overall figure means such is the size of it.
Apparently the overall figure could fully fund the NHS for 15 years. Or pay the annual salary of 76,000,000 nurses.
So it seems to me that neither the Tories or Labour have run a particulary tight ship when in power. To use your terminology, you could drive the entire US navy through their past financial policies.
Yes but when you have a budget your figures need to balance or as we saw under Truss the markets panic and insiders make a fortune. The current Reform budget has a ÂŁ100bn hole in it, for a 12 month budget plan. Planning to blow that amount of cash in one sitting within the current financial market is reckless.
I hope others can explain it better than I can.
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The Labour Party has in the past generation been a much better steward, however Thatcher had to clear up their prior mess - though by todayâs standards, that was a trifle. Both parties actually did a solid job of slowly paying the huge WW2 debt. The real story is the Gordon Brown governmentâs reaction to the global financial crisis somehow became permanent and baked in to UK public finances, and no government since has taken the task of unwinding that position seriously. The current government may or may not be, but faces huge constraints - there simply isnât a sense of crisis in the way there was over the two huge war debts, so there is far greater resistance to taking on a much smaller challenge
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https://x.com/chrisshipitv/status/1968057555370103278
https://x.com/chrisshipitv/status/1968069639830900950
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Theyâve been arrested, I heard on the radio.
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Free Led by Donkeys! 
More suppression of free speech/protest under Labour.
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Yes, although all the other parties would do the same.
Itâs ludicrous and pathetic.
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Now watching Starmer attesting someone sounds like a right laugh. Iâll have to get the popcorn 
on.
Donât they have any police 
anymore in the UK?
In France the government is sending 80000 out again to watch trade union members walking down the road.
On what charge? Do we know yet?
Stating an uncomfortable truth?
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They didnât break into the grounds, so canât be charged with trespassing or breaking and entering, they used a projector to show the photos/video on the wall so didnât actually cause damage, the photos are all publicly available so no hacking/computer laws broken, what was aid is all truthful and confirmed, so the only charge I can think of is giving the orange crybaby hurt feelings
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Suspected malicious communications.
Iâm not sure which category they think it falls under:
(a)a letter or other article which conveysâ
(i)a message which is indecent or grossly offensive;
(ii)a threat; or
(iii)information which is false and known or believed to be false by the sender; or
(b)any other article which is, in whole or part, of an indecent or grossly offensive nature,
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Could be fun arguing this under one of those categories.
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This is not good. At all. Palantir alone is investing 1.5Bn. Spying on the citizenry is what they do
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