UK Politics Thread (Part 4)

Fucking depressing

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Easily visible targets of discontent. Keep the populace distracted on “the other” while the real enemies of the people, the ones who own the media, the non-dom uber rich continue to rob us blind.

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Well, they’re not exactly blameless. Remember Brexit?

Middle class white men are massively over represented in government and business. They are the group with the most power in the country and must, therefore, take some responsibility for the current state of affairs.

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Ignorance. Fear. Hatred.
Tone deaf as well.

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Who knew?

I mean, other than anybody with half a fucking brain…

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Environmental deregulation. That will be the snap, and we are on the verge. It could have been avoided (still could to a degree) by applying some common sense, but with Trumpism holding the upper hand, it’s coming, and we’ll all suffer because of it.

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It’s not angry middle aged white men who are putting thousands of undocumented young men in dinghies and let’s be honest that’s what’s fuelling the discontent.

I look forward to you posting a similar list of crimes committed by Muslims against white Christian people.
If there are any, of course?

It’s middle aged white men who’ve convinced you that the reason why you’re feeling poorer and your public services are shit is people in dinghies, and not the hundreds of billions of pounds in wealth that’s been sucked out of the economy.

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Don’t distort the argument. We all know the super-rich are getting richer while everyone else struggles
What’s fuelling the whole flag argument that Neville is using to virtue signal is the arrival of small boats full of undocumented young men and it’s not angry middle aged white men who are responsible for that.

Well, if you take the ‘angry’ out of the equation, as the anger has been largely caused by hate mongering media and politicians, the current situation is the result of successive governments failure to come up with a practical and workable immigration policy, and those governments have been overwhelmingly made up of white middle class men.

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I agree with some of your post but it’s not those middle aged white men the likes of Neville are talking about.

I hope you’re wrong on that for two reasons.

  1. With the current level of people that think its a tax generating hoax and the slow progression (in human life terms) of climate change means that point is years away.
  2. Secondly, when it properly bites, the way back is decades, potentially centuries away depending on the tipping points we pass through.

Argh, so depressing.

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I have never understood this. How can you have a workable immigration policy that will stop the boats? Allow all those men who want to cross on boats to come legally? Any you refuse will surely just go down the boat route anyway..

Net migration into the UK last year was just under half a million which was actually quite a bit lower than previous few years. I assume the vast majority of those came in legally so is it really so hard to come to the UK?

And is it really so wrong to be concerned about the high levels of immigration? After all it isn’t just a UK issue. It is affecting most of western Europe. There has to be a limit to how many Europe can take. It isn’t “racist” to express that concern.

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Safe routes and speedy asylum processing. Basically remove the need for the boat industry.

Yeah. Most are student visas followed by working visas. There has been a large drop in dependents coming with those student and working visas. I cant remember why sorry.

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But it won’t will it. It would be extremely naive to assume that those you refuse will just go away. They will jump in the boats…or do you think they will just give up and go back to Afghanistan or Somalia?

But the numbers will be tiny. Boats are less than 5% of all immigration. Currently something like 70-80% of asylum claims are granted. The other thing is having deportation routes agreed.

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If ‘the West’ really wanted to stop mass immigration it would start by addressing obscene levels of global wealth inequality brought about by centuries of plundering literally any resource it could get its hands on.

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It’s not wrong at all. Quite obviously it is a large sociopolitical issue of note in western and northern Europe. It’s a balance between needing economic growth from immigration and the many negative sociopolitical and socioeconomical conseequences if it is very high. Such as, but not limited to and not in any order of importance; increase in racism, xenophobia, crime, inequality and the many butterfly effects of said issues (caused by difficulties of integration, reaction to too much culture change in a short time; and much more.)

But it is difficult to deal with, again, because lack of economic growth leads to some of the same problems, but even worse. Globalisation has been a net benefit, but it also of course leads to problems, such as with high immigration from cultures that are unlike the majority culture and thus more costly (in not only monitary terms) to integrate.

Also, many experts and particularly politicians are loath to speak honestly about this (some even touch it), as they are afraid to be branded racist or xenophobic or worse, that they may inadvertadly contribute to increasing racism and xenophobia in society.
In fact, all of this is very complicated. What I do know though, is that the likes of Farage and his party have no good solutions since they trumpet the idea that it is uncomplicated.

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