UK Politics Thread (Part 4)

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Absolute nonsense to imply that the banning of the Maccabi fans is anti semetic if that’s what you’re trying to get at.

Because their fans have a history of causing absolute chaos when travelling to other cities, case in point their recent trip to Amsterdam when they attacked rival fans and not only targeted Muslims in the streets but were chanting death to Arabs in the stadium. Think about the Birmingham demographic, the police have absolutely taken the right decision in order to protect the local population.

The absolute state of UK politics now when you have politicians on all sides of the fence and the fucking PM himself lobbying for showing unity with and allowing literal hooligans into the country.

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It is managed badly. Take it from someone used to live near one of the stadiums. Take it from the people who suffer a 50% increase in violence on Old Firm match days.

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Well lets take the darling of the flag-waving patriots, Tommy Robinson.

He is a known and convicted football hooligan, in fact his pseudonyms were to evade football banning orders and travel bans because he was convicted of assaulting a police officer in 2004. This didn’t stop him going back and committing further offences, politically motivated, for which he also has convictions:

All of this has not stopped showing support for similarly minded thugs:

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Bit of activity in the UK Politics thread last night!! Something big must have happened!

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Why bother? It’s obviously a politically-directed decision to ban Maccabi fans because the government is antisemitic right?

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Source: Intelligence on ‘extreme’ Maccabi fans with history of violence led to Villa Park ban | West Midlands | The Guardian

Nothing to do at all with facts or actual policing decisions, it’s obviously because of the antisemitic Muslim lobby group in Birmingham demanding that all Jews are banned from the country!

The trouble I have with the person you’re replying to, is that their Islamophobia if not outright racism is very thinly veiled. Any person who has to resort to “but I have a non-white partner!” is quite obviously playing the “but I have a black friend” card. Not to mention the disingenuous regurgitation of far-right propaganda as has been called out multiple times on this thread and its predecessors.

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But they got it wrong, the local community should be evacuated so that a few hundred hooligans can have the streets. It’s all back to front. The police are left wing fanatics.

I love the way Lynch asks for proof yet he just posts what he thinks because ‘freedom of speech’ right! He doesn’t even link his sources.

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Fair enough Magnus. I agree, what followed her was much worse, but the whole 14 years of tory govt was disgraceful, her included.

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I’m trying not to spend too much time replying to you, because I honestly think a lot of the time you are just arguing for the sake of arguing. I won’t be picking about your post point by point.

It’s also very tiring that you disappear for days and then drop a dozen posts in one go.

I think I’ve been quite clear that I consider Reform to be fascist. That’s based on any number of accepted definitions, historical precedent and actual behaviour. You seem to think they are ‘moderately right wing’, which is frankly ridiculous.

I have never said that this makes everyone who votes for them fascist. Confused, conned and misinformed? Absolutely.

Yes, people have every right to be angry at the state of the country, but if people believe that the NHS is on its arse, public services have collapsed, cost of living is out of control, and house ownership is a dream because of immigration that that is such a wrong conclusion to draw, and then base civic behaviour on, that it must be challenged.

I think I understand what you are trying to do with the rest of your post, and frankly, it’s disgusting and you should be ashamed. Here are some crimes or socially regressive positions held by people with Muslim sounding names, therefore people are right to be concerned about immigration.

Pathetic.

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Following on from Teresa May being a double-bagger, a new book just released last week, makes claims that Thatcher had two extramarital affairs while married to Denis the sap.

Not read it (as if I would), but guess Satan was one, maybe Cecil Parkinson was the other.!
Sort of turns your stomach thinking of Thatcher in her Ann Summers stuff eh :0)
It is to be remembered… Jimmy Saville was a regular guest at her all-night parties… Makes me wonder what stories and centrefold images are yet to be shared eh…

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Which you’ve posted from within another ten post flurry of activity.

Nobody is ‘shutting you down’. People are arguing back, and if you feel shut down maybe that’s a reflection of the quality of your argument not your opponent.

Jesus, I thought the left were meant to be the snowflakes.

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Here we go again with your ‘I’ve got a mate…’ economics.

Marginal Propensity to Consume is an established economic principle which can be shown to be higher in poorer people than wealthier people.

Go and google ‘MPC across income brackets’ and you’ll find lots of articles explaining this.

Here is the AI overview.

Lower-income brackets generally have a higher marginal propensity to consume (MPC), while higher-income brackets have a lower MPC. This is because lower-income households are more likely to spend additional income on necessities, while higher-income households are more likely to save or invest a larger portion of it.

Low-income households

  • High MPC:

A larger portion of any extra income is spent on essential goods and services like food, housing, and healthcare.

  • Reasoning:

They often have more immediate consumption needs and may not have their basic needs fully met.

High-income households

  • Low MPC: A larger proportion of any extra income is saved or invested.
  • Reasoning: Their basic needs are usually already met, allowing them to direct additional income toward savings, investments, or discretionary spending.

Factors influencing MPC

  • Necessity vs. Discretion:

The fundamental reason for the difference is that lower-income individuals are more likely to spend on necessities, whereas higher-income individuals have more discretionary income to save or invest.

  • Debt:

Households with high levels of debt may have a lower MPC if they prioritize paying down debt with any new income, notes Investopedia.

  • Income source:

The MPC can be influenced by whether the extra income is temporary or permanent. A permanent increase in income is more likely to be spent than a one-time bonus.

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This is simply not true, and you should know it.

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In declassified comments released after her death, she committed to ‘leaving the back door open to negations with the IRA’ .

Was there no end to the women’s debauchery?

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This forum cancels people using the Louis CK Method.

It cancels them by allowing them to post whatever they want.

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My current thinking is whoever in my area is best placed to keep Reform out. Unfortunately, our voting system does not deliver on voting for who you want.

Wrong and this has been explained above but once again it hasnt stuck. Waste is an issue but it is dwarfed by the wealth that is being sucked daily out of the UK. Thames Water being a prime example, happy to pay massive salaries and bonuses along with dividends while carrying huge debt, and then having the gall to ask for a government loan to stay afloat. Liz Truss wiped £40bn off the UK economy overnight.

What has created this is 50+ years of raging capatalism using public money to kick start it, pay for it and then support it when it fails. Brexit has wiped another astonishing lump off our ability to generate revenue. And yes I’ll blame 14 years of Tory Austerity which cut public budgets to the bone while increasing the work those public bodies, like Birmingham City Council has to do on less of a budget.

The UK is stuck. Borrowing is high, gdp is low and growth stagnant. Much of the world is in a similar boat. When you’ve farmed out all your public owned assets like Thames Water, local authority services, parts of the NHS, rail, power, north sea oil, where can you turn to generate more public money? The only answer is the tax payer.

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This is hilarious. By wealth and assets I mean things like property, pensions, mortgages, land, shares in the post office, rail services, water companies and so on. These are all owned by very wealthy individuals or large corporations like Blackrock which are in turn owned by wealthy individuals and so on. Richard Branson and Virgin Trains is another. The wealthy individuals do not need to be UK based.

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I wasn’t following events, but I think Jess Phillips was simply following the Government’s line which had been in place since coming to power, if not before.

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He is wrong across three or four different vectors.

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It has been interesting to read this thread.

If someone is coming from more of a right wing perspective, my inclination is to lean in and try to understand where they are coming from. Obviously if I conclude they are trolling then I lose interest. We had one of those not too long ago, posting in bad faith, but in this instance I’m trying to understand the concerns @Lynch04 is expressing.

If immigration is the biggest issue, let’s discuss it, in good faith.

I think it is legitimate to have a discussion about immigration - how much, and on what basis, and what happens when they arrive? I’m sure there are other questions too, but having a solid answer on those things seems like a good start.

I would not want to cede the ground to the far right to frame the discussion or policy, which is what seems to be happening with the rise of Reform.

On a personal note, I want to live in a country that welcomes others to come in. (I’ve been in the States for 17 years now, and the issues they are having here around immigration, and how it is handled, should inform the UK to hopefully learn from the mistakes being made here).

If an immigrant is in some sort of distress, maybe even life and death as an asylum seeker, I want to live in a country that can process them, give them a safe place, and integrate them to be able to make a contribution. If that can happen, I genuinely believe the whole gets stronger.

How many? How much does it cost? Who pays? I honestly don’t know the answer to that, and there is legitimate conversation to be had.

Speaking of Birmingham from my experience of living there as a student in the late 80s and early 90s, albeit in leafy Selly Oak and Edgbaston, I loved the multicultural nature of the place, and the new foods, people and cultures I was exposed to. I felt British, but also European and a citizen of the world, all at the same time.

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